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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2017, 02:08:38 AM »
I have an answer to this yet frustratingly enough I can't figure out to to put it in writing in a way that would seem coherent. So I won't but I shall let it be known that an answer exists.
It is Friday and would love to hear it!
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2017, 02:11:36 AM »
Me.  :)
I humbly disagree. Like everything in life you become used to it, unless one is consistently putting an effort into growing in their connection with God they are sliding down - inevitably you will end up with your phone on during praying, at first just for that important phone call you've been waiting for and then on and on.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2017, 02:13:58 AM »
I humbly disagree. Like everything in life you become used to it, unless one is consistently putting an effort into growing in their connection with God they are sliding down - inevitably you will end up with your phone on during praying, at first just for that important phone call you've been waiting for and then on and on.

those never come on a sunday morning  ;)

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2017, 02:16:45 AM »
I humbly disagree.
I fully understand why you would.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #64 on: May 05, 2017, 02:19:04 AM »
those never come on a sunday morning  ;)
I used Sunday service as an example since that is when most will attend. There is services every day of the year and most of the time more than once a day. Also since when do you need to be in a place of worship to pray?
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #65 on: May 05, 2017, 02:36:52 AM »
Here is why I am shocked. I always look at those that follow Judaism to adhere to their religion more than those of the religion I follow. I never see phones in use or even vibrate during our Sunday services.
I appreciate the fact that you are shocked for this reason!

I think if you walked into a shul vs houses of worship of other religions you would see the difference and also why this happens. The entire atmosphere is different, less formal, more homey, more individual. In the early days of reform Judaism one thing they pushed was having decorum in a shul similar to that of what you're used to. While that seemed positive on the surface, it wasn't, because a shul is not a church and isn't meant to be.

None of this is to defend cell phones or talking in shul, both of which deeply disturb me
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #66 on: May 05, 2017, 02:41:29 AM »
I think if you walked into a shul vs houses of worship of other religions you would see the difference and also why this happens. The entire atmosphere is different, less formal, more homey, more individual.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #67 on: May 05, 2017, 02:48:24 AM »
Great that so many are aware and opposed to this epidemic ravaging our communities. Join me in taking the pledge, and be one of the fortunate ones taking a stand for the glory of hashem our king.

http://kvodshomayim.org/pledge.html
I would suggest capitalizing His Name in a paragraph like that
The irony is, that the guy that shaves, tucks his tzitzis in, wife wears pants and doesnt cover her hair, wouldnt dream of talking in shull, but they have kiddish clubs to balance things out
I love how shaving and tucking in tzitzis is on par with pants and not covering hair
+1 in a nutshell.
One more point - in other religions the disinterested /but in the mood just don't show up, we don't really have that option

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #68 on: May 05, 2017, 02:51:27 AM »
One more point - in other religions the disinterested /but in the mood just don't show up, we don't really have that option
We have the pop ups. They pop up for Easter and Christmas.  :)
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #69 on: May 05, 2017, 03:01:31 AM »
I love how shaving and tucking in tzitzis is on par with pants and not covering hair.
Which is worse? I'm really not sure.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #70 on: May 05, 2017, 03:03:56 AM »
It is Friday so I get to ask, what's the problem with women wearing pants?
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #71 on: May 05, 2017, 03:09:24 AM »
It is Friday so I get to ask, what's the problem with women wearing pants?
According to most rabbis it is a violation of the prohibition of cross dressing, which is a direct Biblical commandment
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2017, 03:12:01 AM »
According to most rabbis it is a violation of the prohibition of cross dressing, which is a direct Biblical commandment
Did men even wear pants back then?
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #73 on: May 05, 2017, 03:13:01 AM »
Did men even wear pants back then?
Yes, read up on the priestly garments
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #74 on: May 05, 2017, 03:14:33 AM »
It is Friday so I get to ask, what's the problem with women wearing pants?
Halachically considered male garb. Also considered by some to be inherently immodest.
Of interest:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_trousers