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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #80 on: May 05, 2017, 11:19:33 AM »
Is there any formal settings in Judaism for prayer? Like a church to a Catholic as an example.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #81 on: May 05, 2017, 11:24:26 AM »
Is there any formal settings in Judaism for prayer? Like a church to a Catholic as an example.
There are some of the Modox shuls with Cantors etc. which a definitely more formal, but I am under the impression that the nature of the services are different.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #82 on: May 05, 2017, 11:38:35 AM »
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First let's start with talking in shull, a chabad rabbi / shliach kind of justified it, nay he glorified it in an arutz sheva article a few years ago. He says that we are used to shull and we come so often it's like home (halevai people would ensure the shull was as clean and fixed up and fancy etc as their home)

Any ways, it all breaks down to serious discussion of why we daven, it's really not about how often you do it.  What's the point of going to shull if you are going to talk and disturb the tefilla ? Your chotey umachateh and you are certainly not getting any reward, what for, tefillah betzibur?! Ha!

I bring up pants and covering hair because there are as mentioned, different opinions that hold pants are OK.

Notice how people find reasons, excuses, logic, justification and even twisted praise for talking in shull.

Find me one posek that praises or allows talking in shull.

The truth is, I don't care what people do, but talking in shull is highly inconsiderate, Now imagine a shull where they talk but are supposedly frum so the women dress modestly, imagine if a woman went to the kiddish and was wearing a low cut shirt and short skirt etc they'd say well hey that's wrong and she should be considerate and dress modestly

I don't like praying in shull, I get bored fast, I like going to different shulls etc but ultimately people need to address why they pray, do you do it because it's considered the standard or you are used to it or do you pray because of the right reasons?  If people prayed for the right reasons, I'm sure they'd have more respect for prayer and the house of prayer.

For me, halacha aside, talking in shull is rude

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #83 on: May 05, 2017, 11:40:39 AM »
Is there any formal settings in Judaism for prayer? Like a church to a Catholic as an example.

Maybe Sephardi shulls, but also modox shulls where there is more choral singing and community singing.

With many yeshivish or chasidic shulls with loud dawning it's like a free for all

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #84 on: May 05, 2017, 11:50:06 AM »

First let's start with talking in shull, a chabad rabbi / shliach kind of justified it, nay he glorified it in an arutz sheva article a few years ago. He says that we are used to shull and we come so often it's like home (halevai people would ensure the shull was as clean and fixed up and fancy etc as their home)
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Notice how people find reasons, excuses, logic, justification and even twisted praise for talking in shull.

Find me one posek that praises or allows talking in shull.
There are no poskim who praise or allow it. In fact in the entire SA this is the ONLY place where the mechaber writes gadol avono miniso-his sin is too great to carry. I did not see the article you are referring to, but I would take it Berditchiver style.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #85 on: May 05, 2017, 12:28:59 PM »
There are no poskim who praise or allow it. In fact in the entire SA this is the ONLY place where the mechaber writes gadol avono miniso-his sin is too great to carry. I did not see the article you are referring to, but I would take it Berditchiver style.
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There's a story about a place where the Rov strongly admonished people from talking and socializing in shul. After a while, people started coming to the Rov with all kinds of problems that needed help. Turns out that during the talking/socializing in the shul, people were also helping each other.

To add to what you write about the mechaber, I will also point out that the only place in Tanya where the Alter Rebbe writes געוואלד געוואלד refers to proper davening. http://chabadlibrary.org/books/default.aspx?furl=/adhaz/tanya/4/24
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #86 on: May 05, 2017, 02:28:48 PM »
 I just want to point out that my comment that started this thread was originally  posted as a response in a different thread  and it was moved by the moderators.   The comment was originally posted that leaving my cellphone at home or in he car was something that helped me Daven better on a personal level.  it was never intended to be a condemnation  of other people who talk or have their cellphones on during davening.    Everyone needs to grow at their own pace and with in their own needs. 

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #87 on: May 05, 2017, 03:44:15 PM »
Maybe Sephardi shulls, but also modox shulls where there is more choral singing and community singing.

With many yeshivish or chasidic shulls with loud dawning it's like a free for all
I think it's telling that everyone in this thread is basically saying the same thing, including you, yet you have to make it about right-wing bashing.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #88 on: May 05, 2017, 05:52:21 PM »
Is there any formal settings in Judaism for prayer? Like a church to a Catholic as an example.

There are some of the Modox shuls with Cantors etc. which a definitely more formal, but I am under the impression that the nature of the services are different.

Maybe Sephardi shulls, but also modox shulls where there is more choral singing and community singing.

With many yeshivish or chasidic shulls with loud dawning it's like a free for all

I think it's telling that everyone in this thread is basically saying the same thing, including you, yet you have to make it about right-wing bashing.
I don't know what you guys are thinking but almost every Shul I've been to has some very formal settings to the prayers. You don't even realize how formal it is. Unless I totally misunderstood the question.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2017, 10:37:52 AM »
Anyone know if they are still giving away free cell phone lockers for shuls who want to implement a no cell phone policy?

http://www.localjewishnews.com/2015/03/12/shul-phone-lockers/

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #90 on: August 12, 2019, 10:44:06 PM »
Anyone know if they are still giving away free cell phone lockers for shuls who want to implement a no cell phone policy?

http://www.localjewishnews.com/2015/03/12/shul-phone-lockers/

+1 (sorry for reviving a dead thread) also any new ideas to curb talking since 2017

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #91 on: August 13, 2019, 08:34:25 AM »
+1 (sorry for reviving a dead thread) also any new ideas to curb talking since 2017

Don't be sorry, this is a very real and damaging situation that is only getting worse, the cell-phones anyway.
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