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churnbabychurn · « **Reply #5440 on:** May 11, 2016, 11:53:03 AM »

Quote from: elit on May 11, 2016, 10:34:05 AM

I guess my real question is do American right wing orthodox whatever it's called black hat , yeshivish, etc... still identify with the average israeli charedi. I used to view myself as the same sect but I find it harder and harder to keep that perspective

I don't think you realize how concentrated and segregated the various meah sharim sects are.
They have nothing at all in common with the average yeshivish or chasidish israeli communities.

The media was successful in defining "chareidim" by the fringe noismakers.

aygart · « **Reply #5441 on:** May 11, 2016, 12:28:43 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on May 11, 2016, 11:53:03 AM

I don't think you realize how concentrated and segregated the various meah sharim sects are.
They have nothing at all in common with the average yeshivish or chasidish israeli communities.

The media was successful in defining "chareidim" by the fringe noismakers.

+1

The better question would be whether or not the typical chareidi in Bnei Brak/Ponevez/Belz/Degel/Aguda/whatever still identifies with this stuff and the answer is no, but they do identify with some other aspects so it gets complicated. THen the question becomes how much the typical yeshivish American identifies with which group.

churnbabychurn · « **Reply #5442 on:** May 11, 2016, 12:34:29 PM »

Quote from: aygart on May 11, 2016, 12:28:43 PM

+1

The better question would be whether or not the typical chareidi in Bnei Brak/Ponevez/Belz/Degel/Aguda/whatever still identifies with this stuff and the answer is no, but they do identify with some other aspects so it gets complicated. THen the question becomes how much the typical yeshivish American identifies with which group.

Not sure what you are saying.
The Israeli charedi communities have absolutely nothing to do with the meah sharim crowd, hashkafa or anything else. They are looked at as fringe loonies and that's it.

If anything, the American yeshivish crowd seems somewhat enamored by them for some reason.. Americans learn in brisk (hashkafa also rejected by mainstream chareidim in Israel), and for some reason meah sharim is a major American yeshivish tourist attraction.
Yeshiva guys from beney berak have no interest in even visiting the place..

aygart · « **Reply #5443 on:** May 11, 2016, 12:39:22 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on May 11, 2016, 12:34:29 PM

Not sure what you are saying.
The Israeli charedi communities have absolutely nothing to do with the meah sharim crowd, hashkafa or anything else. They are looked at as fringe loonies and that's it.

If anything, the American yeshivish crowd seems somewhat enamored by them for some reason.. Americans learn in brisk (hashkafa also rejected by mainstream chareidim in Israel), and for some reason meah sharim is a major American yeshivish tourist attraction.
Yeshiva guys from beney berak have no interest in even visiting the place..

I mostly agree with you. That it became a tourist attraction is mainly its "old yishuv" feel which brings secular tourists there as well. The lines of who is a "fringe loony" and who is mainstream are quite blurred.

MosheD · « **Reply #5444 on:** May 11, 2016, 12:43:47 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on May 11, 2016, 12:34:29 PM

Not sure what you are saying.
The Israeli charedi communities have absolutely nothing to do with the meah sharim crowd, hashkafa or anything else. They are looked at as fringe loonies and that's it.

If anything, the American yeshivish crowd seems somewhat enamored by them for some reason.. Americans learn in brisk (hashkafa also rejected by mainstream chareidim in Israel), and for some reason meah sharim is a major American yeshivish tourist attraction.
Yeshiva guys from beney berak have no interest in even visiting the place..

+1
without even watching the video I can guess what it is and can assure that is not the average Israeli Chareidi.
I have very Israeli Chareidi cousins and they want just as little to do with Meah Shearim crowd as you do.
The American Mir guys on the other hand...

I still think that US yeshivish right wing is not Israeli Chareidi but totally dif reasons and nothing against Israeli Chareidim

Quote from: aygart on May 11, 2016, 12:39:22 PM

I mostly agree with you. That it became a tourist attraction is mainly its "old yishuv" feel which brings secular tourists there as well. The lines of who is a "fringe loony" and who is mainstream are quite blurred.

-1
Some yeshiva guys love the loonies. Its all fun and games to them. (Admittedly I was part of that)

elit · « **Reply #5445 on:** May 11, 2016, 12:52:56 PM »

Quote from: churnbabychurn on May 11, 2016, 11:53:03 AM

I don't think you realize how concentrated and segregated the various meah sharim sects are.
They have nothing at all in common with the average yeshivish or chasidish israeli communities.

The media was successful in defining "chareidim" by the fringe noismakers.

Well then the "silent majority" is doing a terrible job.... sounds a lot like another religion....

aygart · « **Reply #5446 on:** May 11, 2016, 12:59:35 PM »

Quote from: MosheD on May 11, 2016, 12:43:47 PM

Some yeshiva guys love the loonies. Its all fun and games to them. (Admittedly I was part of that)

You mean the way they have fun with the breslovers in Meron? Big deal. They are have fun with their being loonies.

churnbabychurn · « **Reply #5447 on:** May 11, 2016, 01:04:50 PM »

Quote from: aygart on May 11, 2016, 12:39:22 PM

I mostly agree with you. That it became a tourist attraction is mainly its "old yishuv" feel which brings secular tourists there as well. The lines of who is a "fringe loony" and who is mainstream are quite blurred.

The whole "old yishuv" fantasy is a pet peeve of mine... Don't get me started.