The funny/strange/interesting video thread...

[Yossi.]

so u did not watch the video and made a point that u will not watch it! but u want the explanation on the reason it is a kiddush Hashem on a silver platter - correct?

btw the video is 6 minutes and i am sure u spent already half of that time answering and posting your emoticons!... wait let me see... ahh this one is good 

[mclovin]

so u did not watch the video and made a point that u will not watch it! but u want the explanation on the reason it is a kiddush Hashem on a silver platter - correct?

umm yeah pretty much.

btw the video is 6 minutes and i am sure u spent already half of that time answering and posting your emoticons!... wait let me see... ahh this one is good 

i watched the first half plus 3 min on emoticons so that equals the whole thing and i stll dont get it. care to explain

[jj1000]

@mclovin why don't you just say you don't think a Jewish kid wearing a yalmuka and singing well on national TV for millions of people to see is a kidush Hashem?

Some feel it shows he proud to be Jewish and is talented so it's a kidush Hashem. Cmiiw but you don't share that sentiment.

[Yossi.]

umm yeah pretty much.i watched the first half plus 3 min on emoticons so that equals the whole thing and i stll dont get it. care to explain

well then u just missed the 3,000 people standing ovation in addition to the judge explicitly stating that he was jewish and a great singer...

[jj1000]

well then u just missed the 3,000 people standing ovation in addition to the judge explicitly stating that he was jewish and a great singer...

some frumpeople might see this as  huge chilul Hashem because he was singing goyish music and on TV which is asur plus he was around kol isha so now all goyim think this is allowed. Plus what does a good voice have to do with glorifying Hashem's name?

Not my opinion but what others will say. I've been through this b4 on the forums 

[mclovin]

@mclovin why don't you just say you don't think a Jewish kid wearing a yalmuka and singing well on national TV for millions of people to see is a kidush Hashem?

Some feel it shows he proud to be Jewish and is talented so it's a kidush Hashem. Cmiiw but you don't share that sentiment.

correct. consider it said. that is why i wanted to know if there was something else in the video i didnt know about

[jj1000]

correct. consider it said. that is why i wanted to know if there was something else in the video i didnt know about

Ugh you could of just said that straight out. No need to be smart about it.

Do I have to search for this argument before and see if it was with us?

[skyguy918]

@mclovin why don't you just say you don't think a Jewish kid wearing a yalmuka and singing well on national TV for millions of people to see is a kidush Hashem?

well then u just missed the 3,000 people standing ovation in addition to the judge explicitly stating that he was jewish and a great singer...

Maybe one of you could explain more fully. I don't want to be argumentative, but it seems like there's a misconception here. You're saying that the fact that a Jewish kid is having a successful run on a talent show is a kiddush Hashem? I haven't watched much of him, but he seems like a mensch. I guess you could argue that acting like a mentsch while yarmulke on national television qualifies, but you'd really be stretching the definition of kiddush Hashem. It doesn't mean that people should see Jews being successful. It means that people should see Jews living the life that Hashem commanded them to live. Edon may very well be doing that in his daily life, but singing on TV doesn't count.

[mclovin]

Ugh you could of just said that straight out. No need to be smart about it.

Do I have to search for this argument before and see if it was with us?

i wasnt being smart (that comes naturally) i just wanted to make sure that is what he meant before i argued.
u could search but i dont remember having this argument before (but it could be)

[jj1000]

i wasnt being smart (that comes naturally) i just wanted to make sure that is what he meant before i argued.
u could search but i dont remember having this argument before (but it could be)

Nop wasn't with you, but same argument. http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=14448.msg193486#msg193486

You should be ho honored you agree with AJK

@skyguy918 Read through the link above. If it doesn't make sense I can try and adapt it to this specific case.

[WhyAich]

this is WAY off topic any vids anyone?

[jj1000]

this is WAY off topic any vids anyone?

I don't think it is. what's the point of posting videos if you don't discuss them? The discussion is part of the video.

[AJK]

Frankly, I believe there is absolutely Kiddush Hashem when people with Kippas are thrust into the spotlight--as in the case of Beren--or voluntarily seek it out--as in the case of Edon--provided those individuals act with the utmost respect, and serve as role models of the Jewish faith.

Anything more than that, like basketball or singing prowess, just dont make the cut, IMHO.

But yes, in the case of Edon, as he seems to be acting like a mentch, being considerate of others, and not taking himself too seriously (from what I've seen), I tend to believe that creates a Kiddush Hashem.

[jj1000]

Frankly, I believe there is absolutely Kiddush Hashem when people with Kippas are thrust into the spotlight--as in the case of Beren--or voluntarily seek it out--as in the case of Edon--provided those individuals act with the utmost respect, and serve as role models of the Jewish faith.

Anything more than that, like basketball or singing prowess, just dont make the cut, IMHO.

But yes, in the case of Edon, as he seems to be acting like a mentch, being considerate of others, and not taking himself too seriously (from what I've seen), I tend to believe that creates a Kiddush Hashem.

You just don't want to agree with McLovin

I am glad to see we agree partially at least

[jj1000]

@WhyAich For you some adorable elmo videos. (Not sure if these were posted yet, but they are really not so cute)

and

ETA: I am glad to see Gibson has found a suitable job

[skyguy918]

I was trying to formulate my understanding of kiddush Hashem into the right words, and lo and behold, Webster's does it for me (not a proof of course, merely a good phrasing for what I was thinking):

Definition of KIDDUSH HASHEM

Jewish relig
: a religious or moral act that causes others to reverence God

Kiddush Hashem is not about making people think that Jews are great. It's about turning them on to the fact that Hashem is great, as is the lifestyle He commanded us to follow. Success in some secular pursuit does not accomplish this.

@AJK. I hear what you're saying, but he's being put on a stage for his singing, not his middos. Every person in their everyday life who is living b'derech Hashem is mekadesh shem shamayim in their own small way. That effect is magnified on national television and he should be commended for continuing to be a mentsch even in this situation. But in my mind, an act such as the one described in the quote from Webster, even if it's only in front of a few people, is a bigger kiddush Hashem.

[jj1000]

@skyguy918 You said that "Every person in their everyday life who is living b'derech Hashem is mekadesh shem shamayim in their own small way." So you agree it is a kidush Hashem end of debate.

[Dan]

Frankly, I believe there is absolutely Kiddush Hashem when people with Kippas are thrust into the spotlight--as in the case of Beren--or voluntarily seek it out--as in the case of Edon--provided those individuals act with the utmost respect, and serve as role models of the Jewish faith.

Anything more than that, like basketball or singing prowess, just dont make the cut, IMHO.

But yes, in the case of Edon, as he seems to be acting like a mentch, being considerate of others, and not taking himself too seriously (from what I've seen), I tend to believe that creates a Kiddush Hashem.

+1

[WhyAich]

@WhyAich For you some adorable elmo videos. (Not sure if these were posted yet, but they are really not so cute)

ETA: I am glad to see Gibson has found a suitable job

like your comments better than the video, seen it ... but you're funny

[Red]

@WhyAich For you some adorable elmo videos. (Not sure if these were posted yet, but they are really not so cute)


ETA: I am glad to see Gibson has found a suitable job

RWJ fan?