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Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« on: May 18, 2017, 05:15:13 PM »
Apologies if thread about this exists somewhere. I searched and couldn't find, so I figured I would start a new one.

I've flown the following airlines on the North America to TLV route in J:

DL - Overall best experience (though would have loved to have a NYC-TLV flight that arrives in the AM). Reverse herringbone lie flat, with excellent bedding. Slept so well that I can't comment on KSML!
LO - fake Euro business to WAW, dreamliner to NA. Decent seat on long haul. Nice lounge for connection. Useless IFE and soft product.
US/AA - great experience on lie-flat (herringbone or reverse - can't recall - now defunct route).
LX - lie flat with MOST seats direct aisle access. One of the few airlines to fly widebody between Europe and TLV. Very uncomfortable seat! Bad soft product. Good KSML.
TK - Lie flat on NA-IST. Some IST-TLV flights are widebody, presumably with lie-flat, but most are fake Euro business. Good KSML ex-TLV and ex-IST. Ex-NYC KSML looks like an economy meal with a sticker slapped on it to say business. Decent soft product.
SU - (flew DL to SVO - excellent soft product, hard product was lie-flat on 767 - not the greatest). SVO-TLV was 777. Angle-flat. Mostly empty cabin, flew with adorable infant, so got great soft product. KSML was edible (though good Kashrus). SVO-TLV usually has great availability using FB. Problem is North America to SVO.
Haven't flown UA as I can never find saver availability.

On most recent trip I almost booked DL revenue for under $3k using hidden city. Held off on booking due to some uncertainty, by the time I was ready to book, hidden city route was over $8k, while direct NYC-TLV was over $4K - probably the biggest price jump / missed booking opportunity I've ever had. Ended up booking LX using Mileage Plus, but switched return to TK due to bad experience on LX.
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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2017, 05:39:41 PM »
What happened on LX that was so bad you switched to TK?
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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2017, 05:46:17 PM »

What happened on LX that was so bad you switched to TK?
Extremely uncomfortable bed! Soft product leaves something to be desired. I was booked on return LX TLV-ZRH-JFK.

Would have switched ZRH-NYC to UA ZRH-EWR which had availability, but UA said that since TLV-ZRH wasn't showing availability in J, I would be booked in Y for that segment. Never mind that I was holding 2 J seats on that segment (which wouldn't need changing - but they said could only change entire remaining itinerary, and not just ZRH-NYC segment, took me very long on the phone, so I wasn't going to start the HUCA game).
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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2017, 05:58:41 PM »
LX soft product improved dramatically.

ZRH is far superior to IST, and the LX seat is better IMO, especially if you have the TK 2-3-2

The main advantage of TK is the schedule - better flight times than LX (2355 ex JFK) and better to split up the flight 9h + 1.5 then 3.5 +7

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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2017, 05:59:55 PM »
Extremely uncomfortable bed! Soft product leaves something to be desired. I was booked on return LX TLV-ZRH-JFK.

Would have switched ZRH-NYC to UA ZRH-EWR which had availability, but UA said that since TLV-ZRH wasn't showing availability in J, I would be booked in Y for that segment. Never mind that I was holding 2 J seats on that segment (which wouldn't need changing - but they said could only change entire remaining itinerary, and not just ZRH-NYC segment, took me very long on the phone, so I wasn't going to start the HUCA game).
Was that on an A330 or B777? How long ago?
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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2017, 06:42:57 PM »
Was that on an A330 or B777? How long ago?

A330 doesn't start until October.
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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2017, 06:49:28 PM »
A330 doesn't start until October.
I know its the other direction but....


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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2017, 06:52:20 PM »
Sorry, skimmed.
Was referring to DL.
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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2017, 06:55:24 PM »
A330 doesn't start until October.
Come again? Every flight between NYC and ZRH, as well most between TLV and ZRH are on the A330!

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Sorry, skimmed.
Was referring to DL.

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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2017, 07:04:34 PM »
Come again? Every flight between NYC and ZRH, as well most between TLV and ZRH are on the A330!

ETA:
But has flown the 777 as well
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2016/02/22/swiss-airlines-flagship-boeing-777-now-flying-new-york/80784734/
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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2017, 07:06:04 PM »
Extremely uncomfortable bed! Soft product leaves something to be desired. I was booked on return LX TLV-ZRH-JFK.

Would have switched ZRH-NYC to UA ZRH-EWR which had availability, but UA said that since TLV-ZRH wasn't showing availability in J, I would be booked in Y for that segment. Never mind that I was holding 2 J seats on that segment (which wouldn't need changing - but they said could only change entire remaining itinerary, and not just ZRH-NYC segment, took me very long on the phone, so I wasn't going to start the HUCA game).
I flew EWR-ZRH last year on the A330. Lie flat bed was exactly 2 inches short so either my head banged the top or my legs didnt fit in the tiny footwell. The bed itself wasnt to comfortable either.
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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2017, 08:08:49 PM »

LX soft product improved dramatically.

ZRH is far superior to IST, and the LX seat is better IMO, especially if you have the TK 2-3-2

The main advantage of TK is the schedule - better flight times than LX (2355 ex JFK) and better to split up the flight 9h + 1.5 then 3.5 +7
I fully agree. ZRH is better experience than IST by a very wide stretch.

It was my first time on LX and I was totally unimpressed with soft product. Since it was a last minute booking, didn't have KSML on first leg. One FA showed DW the water bottle saying that she recalls from a previous flight that it's kosher

Only competent FA was a male on my side, who actually got us extra KSML from economy, as well as some fruit.

Bed is indeed too short and narrow. I can only try picturing someone like whYME trying to fit into that bed. Kind of like fitting into a Cuban taxi, but for a longer ride.
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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2017, 09:19:13 AM »
Nice, keep it coming!  Would be great to see for BA and RJ.  And more commentary about KSMLs.

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Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2017, 01:17:48 PM »
what does first class lhr-tlv on BA mean