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"If we believe we can't afford as a country to provide this benefit as it stands, then cut evenly across the board, or identify less at risk groups, like healthy adults, and cut them from the program. Cutting benefits from children from large families is a moral judgment that poor people should not have large families."
« Last edited by Baruch on May 24, 2017, 10:52:09 PM »

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2017, 02:42:28 PM »
Misleading title.
Disagree.

Why should a child from a large family need less food?

It's a direct attack on the concept of large families!

(anyways, I was following the WP way of titling it.)

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2017, 02:43:37 PM »
I was wondering how Budget was going to charge to transport more passengers in a rental car.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2017, 02:44:01 PM »
I was wondering how Budget was going to charge to transport more passengers in a rental car.
Lol same here!
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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2017, 02:46:52 PM »
oh! sorry.

I was gonna write Trump's budget. But I didn't want Trumpkins to have a knee jerk reaction to support him.

How do I change the title to be "Proposed budget ...."

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2017, 02:48:30 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/05/23/trumps-budget-would-penalize-poor-people-for-having-too-many-kids/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.7214851a937d

Please call your congressman, etc.

This affects the frum community massively!

This is misleading. The proposal is to place a fixed cap on how much a family can receive. Once a family reaches that cap, having more children will not allow them to collect more benefits that exceed the cap.

That said, having large families is not contingent on collecting welfare from the government, much like buying a fancy esrog or fancy strollers is not contingent upon welfare. If you want to be mekayeim a mitzvah behiddur, you will need to do it with your own sweat.

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2017, 02:50:21 PM »
This is misleading. The proposal is to place a fixed cap on how much a family can receive. Once a family reaches that cap, having more children will not allow them to collect more benefits that exceed the cap.

That said, having large families is not contingent on collecting welfare from the government, much like buying a fancy esrog or fancy strollers is not contingent upon welfare. If you want to be mekayeim a mitzvah behiddur, you will need to do it with your own sweat.
Not to mention, that people aren't supposed to be dependent on these subsidies, they are only to assist you to get to a point where you can support yourself.
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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2017, 02:51:36 PM »

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2017, 02:56:06 PM »
I was wondering how Budget was going to charge to transport more passengers in a rental car.
Same here.

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2017, 03:09:08 PM »
Misleading title.

+1 Totally misleading. I thought it was about Budget rental car!

ETA: I see that @Dan already thought of my joke 25 minutes before me.  :'(

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2017, 03:12:23 PM »
A tax credit is not welfare.

Maybe I misread the article. Where does it discuss tax credits?

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2017, 03:18:53 PM »
Maybe I misread the article. Where does it discuss tax credits?

Removed my comment, I thought the article was about something else.

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2017, 03:22:03 PM »
I knew this would bring out all anti food stamps people.

This has nothing to do with food stamps.

Food stamps remains the same, but after 4 children, they won't give anymore.

It's an anti large family proposal.


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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2017, 03:24:49 PM »
This is misleading. The proposal is to place a fixed cap on how much a family can receive. Once a family reaches that cap, having more children will not allow them to collect more benefits that exceed the cap.

That said, having large families is not contingent on collecting welfare from the government, much like buying a fancy esrog or fancy strollers is not contingent upon welfare. If you want to be mekayeim a mitzvah behiddur, you will need to do it with your own sweat.
whatever.

Whoever cares about the many many large frum families who are genuinely poor, and need FS to feed their families, please caontact your congressman.

Everyone else, please go back to your self righteous pathetic holes.

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2017, 03:28:08 PM »
Not to mention, that people aren't supposed to be dependent on these subsidies, they are only to assist you to get to a point where you can support yourself.
but what does that have to do with only cutting it for large families?

And what does it have to do with the many families, where both parents work, and need FS to survive?

Why is your knee jerk reaction to defend a disastrous proposal for many frum large families?

Perhaps you just don't care enough.

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2017, 03:29:32 PM »
whatever.

Whoever cares about the many many large frum families who are genuinely poor, and need FS to feed their families, please caontact your congressman.

Everyone else, please go back to your self righteous pathetic holes.
Why is it the governments responsibility to  feed them? Take what they are giving you and say thank you.
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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2017, 03:32:34 PM »
but what does that have to do with only cutting it for large families?

And what does it have to do with the many families, where both parents work, and need FS to survive?

Why is your knee jerk reaction to defend a disastrous proposal for many frum large families?

Perhaps you just don't care enough.
First of all, why are you assuming I'm not one of these families, or don't come from one of them? I just understand that what I get for free is a blessing and if I no longer receive it, that's life.
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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2017, 03:33:17 PM »
Why is it the governments responsibility to  feed them? Take what they are giving you and say thank you.
So you don't care that the goverments policy is that FS is given to all children, besides for children from large families?

If you want to cut FS, that's a different discussion.

This is a proposal to just target large families.

And, BTW, this bill doesn't effect my family. Shockingly, I actually care about poor families.

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Re: Budget to penalize large families!
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2017, 03:34:37 PM »
So you don't care that the goverments policy is that FS is given to all children, besides for children from large families?

If you want to cut FS, that's a different discussion.

This is a proposal to just target large families.

And, BTW, this bill doesn't effect my family. Shockingly, I actually dislike trump. :)
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