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FAQs:

Q: How can I use my credit card points to book a USA-TLV ticket?
A: Please read Dan's very helpful and informative guides found here and here

Great tool to see the mileage cost for a route http://www.awardhacker.com

Q: Do I have to pay a lot of money when using miles for a ticket?

A: Sometimes. For more information read this

Q: How do I find award availability?
A: For Star Alliance (United, AirCanada, Lufthansa, Swiss, and others) see this guide

For OneWorld (AmericanAirlines, BritishAirways, Iberia, Malev, and more) You can use BA's award search engine (you need to have a free BA account to access the engine). In addition, you can use Qantas' engine (free account needed as well), which will (to an extent) search Elal. As of this posting, the Elal business flights that show up are coach, and vice verse.

For Delta and AirFrance, use their respective sites. While not perfect, they are quite manageable for the casual searcher.

And of course, many of us here will take time out to help someone who is trying to learn.

Q: All this searching is making me crazy. Is there an easier way?
A: Yes, but it might cost you. Check out AwardNexus.com, KVStool.com, and expertflyer.com.

Q: I see AirCanada availability, but when I call AirCanada they say I can't use my United miles with them. Aren't they partners?
A: You can only use miles with the airline that issued them. Through that airline (in our case United) they can issue a ticket on a partner (ie AirCanada). Trying to call AirCanada with United miles, is like trying to use shekels in Mexico.

Q: I can't find availability on my dates. What should I do?
A: You should try to be as flexible as possible. Can you add a stop or 2? Can you be more flexible with your dates? The airports?
If all else fails, keep trying. Availability is constantly opening up.

Q: Can someone please help me find a ticket?
A: No! Find it yourself.  ;D ;D Just kidding. Please copy the following lines, delete the non bolded parts, and fill it out in your post.

One way/Round-trip:
Non-stop/Maximum stops/Any:
From: All airports from which you can depart
To: All airports which you can arrive at. For multiple destinations, just keep adding this line
Departure dates: All possible dates that you can depart on. Please be as specific as possible.
Return airports:If different from 'To' line. Delete this line for One-way tickets
Return dates: Delete this line for One-way tickets
Class: First/Business/Coach/Any
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Alliance/Airline: What airline or alliance are you looking to fly with

IF you have any airline status or credit cards (Ie, United CC or status) that gives extended seat availability, please add that. Would be helpful to find you correct availability.

An additional note about using miles for direct flights from NYC-TLV

NYC-TLV is only served by 3 carriers non-stop, United, Delta, and El Al. Saver availability on Delta is non-existent. Saver availability on United is rare but sometimes available close-in. It is almost never available on or near holidays or holiday weekends, or around yomim tovim. Any award space that opens will be snatched up immediately so you have to constantly be checking if you hope to snag it if/when it opens. El AL awards are more readily available but prohibitively expensive using Matmid points (El Al's frequent flyer program) but may be able to be booked using Quantas points (transfers from Citi & Amex) at a much more reasonable rate.

This leaves the following options if no saver availability:

The Chase travel portal will let you use Ultimate Rewards, or a combination or UR and cash to book flights. If you have a Sapphire Reserve or a Sapphire Preferred, the redemption rate will be 1.5 cents per point or 1.25 cents per point respectively, instead of the regular 1 cent per point without them. (A, Ink cash or Ink Preferred will also give you the 1.25 cpp redemption rate.)

The Amex travel portal will let you redeem points at 1 cent per point towards the cost of air travel. If you have a grandfathered Business Platinum card, you will get 50% of the points you redeem back around a month after you book the ticket. If you have a non-grandfathered card, you will get 35% of your points back. (This is only available when redeeming points for tickets on your selected American carrier in economy class or on any airline in business or first class.)

The Citi travel portal also lets you redeem points at 1 cent per point towards travel and seems to have better pricing on El Al in business class.

Alternatively, you can sell your points (not here on DDF) and use the cash to buy regular tickets. This is usually the best option for people without either a Chase Sapphire Reserve or grandfathered Business Platinum who are flying economy.

Those are your only options for nonstop travel. For options with a stopover and more information in general, see https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/milespoints/the-ultimate-israel-mileage-award-chart/

This keeps on getting asked over and over. Besides Dan's comprehensive list of how to get to, or from, TLV here is a short list of options for travel to or from NYC in Y:
Lowest point per RT is FB 50K (less with promo, but YQ of ~$500 unless you can find unicorn DL availability), AA 80k (AA metal for transatlantic), AC 80k (LX or LO for low YQ) and UA 85k. Half that for OW.

Please add any other information to this wiki that you feel might be useful.



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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6930 on: September 03, 2015, 09:32:40 PM »
Depends. With economy to Israel, mileage flights are frequently a poorer value than paid flights. Anyway, cheapest way with points for nonstop I'm pretty sure is 37.5k Singapore miles on United. For 1 stop, I'm pretty sure is 30k BA on Air Berlin Via DUS, TXL, and maybe MUC. With multiple stops, for a large part of the year you can fly for 20k AA plus an approx. $70 cash ticket. All my numbers are for one way travel.
thanks , what about flying blue with delta ? i am not sure abut it i just heard that its very cheap . is it ?
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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6931 on: September 03, 2015, 09:41:05 PM »
thanks , what about flying blue with delta ? i am not sure abut it i just heard that its very cheap . is it ?
Yes it's 25k each way and sometimes there are promotions where it's even cheaper.  It's just that there is barely any availability nonstop with delta. For example over the next 16 weeks, only 2 days have any saver availability from JFK-TLV.

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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6932 on: September 03, 2015, 10:41:26 PM »
Yes it's 25k each way and sometimes there are promotions where it's even cheaper.  It's just that there is barely any availability nonstop with delta. For example over the next 16 weeks, only 2 days have any saver availability from JFK-TLV.
And it's probably a Friday or Shabbes flight

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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6933 on: September 03, 2015, 10:56:24 PM »
And it's probably a Friday or Shabbes flight
WRONG! They're actually on Sunday and Monday!

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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6934 on: September 03, 2015, 11:11:18 PM »
so in order to book with flying blue i have to book really in advanced .
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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6935 on: September 03, 2015, 11:12:00 PM »
can i actually use delta points for tickets booked with flying blue with delta ?
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« Reply #6936 on: September 03, 2015, 11:20:20 PM »
can i actually use delta points for flight booked with flying blue with delta ?
No.

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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6938 on: September 05, 2015, 09:39:58 PM »
I'm looking for a non stop (or very quick stop) flight from NJ (preferably EWR) to TLV Oct 7, returning Oct 12. I didn't find availability on UA, so I looked at AA and found from PHL, but it's 280,000 miles (in J). Does that make sense? According to http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/68732, it should be 135,000. What am I doing wrong?
Same problem on DL from JFK. I found 325,000 miles, but Dan says it should be 140,000.
This is my first time using points, so this is all very unfamiliar to me. Any advice is appreciated. Thank you!

Here's the moderator-approved format:
Round trip
Non-stop
From: EWR preferably (or PHL or JFK)
To: TLV
Departure dates: Oct 7
Return airports: Same
Return dates: Oct 12
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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6939 on: September 05, 2015, 10:08:25 PM »
I'm looking for a non stop (or very quick stop) flight from NJ (preferably EWR) to TLV Oct 7, returning Oct 12. I didn't find availability on UA, so I looked at AA and found from PHL, but it's 280,000 miles (in J). Does that make sense? According to http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/68732, it should be 135,000. What am I doing wrong?
Same problem on DL from JFK. I found 325,000 miles, but Dan says it should be 140,000.
This is my first time using points, so this is all very unfamiliar to me. Any advice is appreciated. Thank you!

Here's the moderator-approved format:
Round trip
Non-stop
From: EWR preferably (or PHL or JFK)
To: TLV
Departure dates: Oct 7
Return airports: Same
Return dates: Oct 12
Class: Business
Seats: Total number of people traveling over the age of 2
Alliance/Airline: What airline or alliance are you looking to fly with
You're not doing anything wrong. It's because the cheaper amounts are only if there is saver availability, of which there is usually just about zero on those routes.

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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6940 on: September 05, 2015, 10:14:39 PM »
You're not doing anything wrong. It's because the cheaper amounts are only if there is saver availability, of which there is usually just about zero on those routes.
Thanks a lot for the reply. Ok, so now what would you suggest? Is this whole idea of using miles to TLV on J foolish?

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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6941 on: September 05, 2015, 10:23:32 PM »
Thanks a lot for the reply. Ok, so now what would you suggest? Is this whole idea of using miles to TLV on J foolish?
No problem. Btw I realize I was unclear. There is just about zero saver availability on those specific nonstop flights, but if you're willing to take a stop, there are usually several options.
So to answer your question, it may be foolish to plan to fly to TLV nonstop in J on points. If you're willing to take a stop though, then it's not foolish at all.
I see for your return there is availability on Austrian Air in J, with a short connection. It's 80k United miles one way if you're interested. I'm looking for your departure now.

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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6942 on: September 05, 2015, 10:45:50 PM »
No problem. Btw I realize I was unclear. There is just about zero saver availability on those specific nonstop flights, but if you're willing to take a stop, there are usually several options.
So to answer your question, it may be foolish to plan to fly to TLV nonstop in J on points. If you're willing to take a stop though, then it's not foolish at all.
I see for your return there is availability on Austrian Air in J, with a short connection. It's 80k United miles one way if you're interested. I'm looking for your departure now.
Understood. Thanks loads!

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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6943 on: September 06, 2015, 03:18:27 PM »
Looking for opinions....
Book flights for 4 people MCO-LGA using 10k ultimate rewards and pay $100 in checked luggage or book 2 delta at 12.5k and 2 at 17.5k with free baggage.I know delta is worth less than ur but this is almost 20k points more and saving $100 cash
I saw a bunch of delta availability last week at 12.5k and now theyr almost all gone
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Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
« Reply #6944 on: September 06, 2015, 04:17:04 PM »

Round trip
Non-stop
From: EWR preferably (or PHL or JFK)
To: TLV
Departure dates: Oct 7
Return airports: Same
Return dates: Oct 12
Class: Business
Seats: 1
Alliance/Airline: Any
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