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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #201 on: October 19, 2021, 10:18:55 PM »
There is no easy answer.
https://classroom.synonym.com/catholic-beliefs-about-withdrawing-life-support-12087605.html

main thing that stands out for me is "Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services," has been revised four times since 1971.

therefore its very hard for me to accept or relate to but i do understand from reading that life is valued and they do make some effort to prolong it
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #202 on: October 19, 2021, 10:35:13 PM »
main thing that stands out for me is "Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services," has been revised four times since 1971.

therefore its very hard for me to accept or relate to but i do understand from reading that life is valued and they do make some effort to prolong it
Yes life is valued and prolonged when it isn't just for the sake of prolonging it.
When things that you thought were never possible become reality you need to rethink or come up with a new set of rules.
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #203 on: October 19, 2021, 10:40:57 PM »
Yes life is valued and prolonged when it isn't just for the sake of prolonging it.
When things that you thought were never possible become reality you need to rethink or come up with a new set of rules.

as long as a person can live there is a purpose to his life and therefore it can not be cut short
the Torah dictates reality not the other way around and therefore in Judaism we believe that any change is possible at any moment despite all circumstances whether they are new or old.



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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #204 on: October 19, 2021, 10:45:05 PM »
Yes life is valued and prolonged when it isn't just for the sake of prolonging it.
When things that you thought were never possible become reality you need to rethink or come up with a new set of rules.
Why would God given rules need to be changed?
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #205 on: October 19, 2021, 10:46:56 PM »
as long as a person can live there is a purpose to his life and therefore it can not be cut short
the Torah dictates reality not the other way around and therefore in Judaism we believe that any change is possible at any moment despite all circumstances whether they are new or old.
You have your religious beliefs and I have no issue with that.
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #206 on: October 19, 2021, 10:52:31 PM »
You have your religious beliefs and I have no issue with that.

just trying to clarify why laws or any other external factors wouldn't make a difference 

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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #207 on: October 19, 2021, 10:57:23 PM »
Why would God given rules need to be changed?
just trying to clarify why laws or any other external factors wouldn't make a difference 
We have different religious beliefs. This is why we need one set of laws/rules that govern us all.
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #208 on: October 19, 2021, 10:59:19 PM »
We have different religious beliefs. This is why we need one set of laws/rules that govern us all.
There is no need for government to be involved in that decision other than to decide whether or not to pay.

Also, I was replying to this




When things that you thought were never possible become reality you need to rethink or come up with a new set of rules.

Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #209 on: October 19, 2021, 11:03:43 PM »
There is no need for government to be involved in that decision other than to decide whether or not to pay.
I don't want to get into this case as I know it is personal. I have already stated I don't know why they wouldn't let the child leave the country. Makes no sense to me.
My only point was removing life support does not automatically mean killing/murdering someone.
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #210 on: October 19, 2021, 11:05:34 PM »
I don't want to get into this case as I know it is personal. I have already stated I don't know why they wouldn't let the child leave the country. Makes no sense to me.
My only point was removing life support does not automatically mean killing/murdering someone.
I don't know if anyone disagrees with you, you can discuss it with chaim aruchim

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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #211 on: October 19, 2021, 11:54:04 PM »
and of course we need to show opposing views of the holocaust because not everyone that kills in a war is Nazi
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #212 on: October 20, 2021, 12:06:05 AM »
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #213 on: October 20, 2021, 08:14:33 AM »
and of course we need to show opposing views of the holocaust because not everyone that kills in a war is Nazi
When someone invokes the Holocaust in an irrelevant discussion it shows they are not confident in their argument.
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #214 on: October 20, 2021, 08:08:23 PM »
When someone invokes the Holocaust in an irrelevant discussion it shows they are not confident in their argument.
True but unfortunately it was in the news the same day
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #216 on: October 21, 2021, 11:21:32 PM »
I assume this is based on your religious beliefs and I respect that. Other religions believe differently but more important is the laws we live by.
Isn't "freedom of religion" part of the laws we live by?

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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #217 on: October 21, 2021, 11:23:57 PM »
Isn't "freedom of religion" part of the laws we live by?
You are correct except when it conflicts with our constitution.
Abortion is a prime example.
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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #218 on: October 21, 2021, 11:27:16 PM »
You are correct except when it conflicts with our constitution.
Abortion is a prime example.
our constitution protects freedom of religion abortion is not in the constitution

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Re: Court Orders Baby's Death
« Reply #219 on: October 21, 2021, 11:33:48 PM »
our constitution protects freedom of religion abortion is not in the constitution
Just like there isn't everything in our religious books.  ;)
SCOTUS disagrees with you and they have the final say.
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