Stopover Rules Master thread

[AJK]

Yep, VCE makes more sense than VNC, and AP is the way to go.

[PlatinumGuy]

I know it's  not mashma from the rules, but from experience, I think it's officially 1 OJ + either 1 stop or a 2nd OJ
I don't think you can officially have 2 OJ+ a stop

IME once you're holding at such a complicated itinerary it will rarely price on it's own anyway.

What matters isn't the rules but what you can convince the agent the rules are. It works both ways. I once spent half a day trying to get an agent to combine a UA C and UA F to a 2-segment one way award which the freakin system refused to put together. They kept on insisting you can't mix cabins. The rules say something to the effect of 'a round trip reward may consist of two cabins' which kinda sounds like each direction has to be only one but we all know thats BS.
I must've created 5 PNRs trying to prove to the agent it can be done. Every time she found a new chiluk. Finally insisting what I had done while on the phone with her was obviously a one-off exception by the premier desk.

Still better than US. They'd point to the rules saying circle trips aren't allowed and theres no way in hell to convince them it has nothing to do with this scenario.

/rant

Anyway, if the system won't price its pretty tough to convince an agent it really is legal and the system will only comply with the published rules on very basic itineraries IMHO.

[AJK]

It's not hard to get UA.com to price an award with 2 OJs and a stopover.

[aussiebochur]

It's not hard to get UA.com to price an award with 2 OJs and a stopover.

Depends. South Pacific-Europe (openjaw)-Asia (stopover)-South Pacific (O.J.) will rarely price.

[PlatinumGuy]

It's not hard to get UA.com to price an award with 2 OJs and a stopover.

If its only a few legs. That because what it really is two one ways. The system has no problem pricing each direction individually, and the only 'problem' is it's meant to to block the stop on a one way. As long as it sees two directions, it won't have a problem with the stop.

So basically, its a one way, + a different one way with a stop which is allowed because it is a 'return' trip.

Now go ahead an try to price 2 OJ + a 2 day stopover, + an 18 hour connection. Neitz is a 7:30

[AJK]

Now go ahead an try to price 2 OJ + a 2 day stopover, + an 18 hour connection. Neitz is a 7:30

Haha

I have a screenshot for 2 OJs, a 20 day stopover but no need for an 18 hour connection.

[Drago]

Great discussion.

I think this should easily be allowed, but the UA rep said no after lots of checking.

TLV - CLE (destination)
CLE - TLV (stopover)
TLV - BKK (OJ)

HUCA, or are they correct?

(Part of the issue may have been that it was econ to CLE, and biz for the second 2 segments. Is this possible?)

[PlatinumGuy]

Great discussion.

I think this should easily be allowed, but the UA rep said no after lots of checking.

TLV - CLE (destination)
CLE - TLV (stopover)
TLV - BKK (OJ)

HUCA, or are they correct?

(Part of the issue may have been that it was econ to CLE, and biz for the second 2 segments. Is this possible?)

CLE-TLV-BKK is pretty radical routing.

[Drago]

CLE-TLV-BKK is pretty radical routing.

I've gotten it to price in the past just fine.
The problem is, when I search now, it prices, but the CLE-TLV leg only shows me one option w/ Saver availability only.

And on the phone, the rep told me that the stopover couldn't be in the origin city, which I'm almost certain is false.

I think this is also a great use of US 90k biz class to parts of Asia if you can get them to price it. NYC - TLV - HKG - NYC

[moish]

you gonna check out the dmz?   (yes, majorly ot, i know)

its in the plans...

[moish]

Yep, VCE makes more sense than VNC, and AP is the way to go.

did you really think he meant venice, florida? 

[YankyDoodle]

Cannot do it on AA as you're attempting to stop in a city which is NOT the N.A. gateway city.

Do this on Aeroplan.

Im guessing he means VCE (Venice, Italy), not VNC (Venice, Florida, United States).

Aeroplan allows 2 stopovers.

Yes, sorry for the confusion I did mean VCE.

As far as the AA gateway city, I don't care which city I pass through (ORD was just an example from United).

I don't have Aeroplan, or Starpoints/MR for transfer. Only AA/UA/UR

Even on Aeroplan wouldn't my itinerary have 3 stops (BCN,VCE, CDG)? Would flying into VCE & out of TSF help?

Thanks for all your help guys!

[AJK]

Even on Aeroplan wouldn't my itinerary have 3 stops (BCN,VCE, CDG)?

Nope, VCE would be a "destination" whereas the other 2 would be "stopovers."

[rcarentals]

so with united, routing between syd-nyc i get one stop-over on the award tickets.

when i try route through TLV they claim it becomes a circle trip because i am ending up going between 4 regions, australia, asia, usa and middle east. although, i am only stopping in 3 of them, i am connecting through asia. is that "not legit"? 

rumor is that if you HUCA enough you can get what you want.. but i want to know if this is inherently legit.

02/22 DEP: SYD 9:00PM ARR PEK 5:50AM (JAN 23ND) CA174 777
02/23 DEP: PEK 8:00PM ARR HKG 11:25AM (JAN 23RD) CA 101 A321
02/24 DEP: HKG 11:25 EWR 1:55PM (JAN 24RD) UA116 777

03/04 DEP: EWR 5:59PM ARR PHL 7:08PM (FEB 4TH) US3339 ERK-170
03/04 DEP: PHL 9:10PM ARR TLV 3:05PM (FEB 5TH) UA796 A320

03/11 DEP: TLV 4:10PM ARR VIE 7:05PM (FEB 12TH) OS858 A321
03/11 DEP: VIE 11:20PM ARR BKK 3:05PM (JAN 12TH) 0S25 777
03/12 DEP: BKK 6:20PM ARR SYD 7:40AM (FEB 13) TG475 747

would this not work theoretically? my question is on the routing?

[myb821]

so with united, routing between syd-nyc i get one stop-over on the award tickets.

when i try route through TLV they claim it becomes a circle trip because i am ending up going between 4 regions, australia, asia, usa and middle east. although, i am only stopping in 3 of them, i am connecting through asia. is that "not legit"? 

rumor is that if you HUCA enough you can get what you want.. but i want to know if this is inherently legit.

02/22 DEP: SYD 9:00PM ARR PEK 5:50AM (JAN 23ND) CA174 777
02/23 DEP: PEK 8:00PM ARR HKG 11:25AM (JAN 23RD) CA 101 A321
02/24 DEP: HKG 11:25 EWR 1:55PM (JAN 24RD) UA116 777

03/04 DEP: EWR 5:59PM ARR PHL 7:08PM (FEB 4TH) US3339 ERK-170
03/04 DEP: PHL 9:10PM ARR TLV 3:05PM (FEB 5TH) UA796 A320

03/11 DEP: TLV 4:10PM ARR VIE 7:05PM (FEB 12TH) OS858 A321
03/11 DEP: VIE 11:20PM ARR BKK 3:05PM (JAN 12TH) 0S25 777
03/12 DEP: BKK 6:20PM ARR SYD 7:40AM (FEB 13) TG475 747

would this not work theoretically? my question is on the routing?

your connection in hkg is 24 hrs so its a stopover

[YankyDoodle]

United agents claim that on a RT you can only have 1 stop or 1 OJ.

Is there anything in writing on the website that affirms that this is incorrect?

Also just to confirm must the OJ always be at the destination city? Is there any leeway in this?

[AJK]

HUCA.

No, the OJ does not have to be at the destination city, but how else would you get 2 OJs otherwise?

NYC-MUC (destination)

MUC-NYC (stopover)
NYC-LAX (OJ)

That's one OJ. In order to get a legal 2, you'd have to do:

NYC-MUC (OJ-destination)

ZRH-NYC (stopover)
NYC-LAX (OJ)

[myb821]

HUCA.

No, the OJ does not have to be at the destination city, but how else would you get 2 OJs otherwise?

NYC-MUC (destination)

MUC-NYC (stopover)
NYC-LAX (OJ)

That's one OJ. In order to get a legal 2, you'd have to do:

NYC-MUC (OJ-destination)

ZRH-NYC (stopover)
NYC-LAX (OJ)

you can have the OJ at the stop over

[AJK]

Yes, yes, I know you were able to pull that off once, but I think that's technically against the rules.

[myb821]

Yes, yes, I know you were able to pull that off once, but I think that's technically against the rules.

no where in the rules dies it say that