Stopover Rules Master thread

[YankyDoodle]

HUCA.
No, the OJ does not have to be at the destination city, but how else would you get 2 OJs otherwise?

I understood it like that as well, but when 4 agents in a row told me it's

1 stop or 1 OJ.

I started to doubt myself...


I tried ticketing,
CLE-BCN (stop)
BCN-VCE (destination)
VCE-CDG (OJ)
LHR-CLE

Should that be bookable? Is the problrm that I'm staying>24 hrs at the OJ? Any way around that?

edit: it seems that this is exactly what myb is referring to, and AJK says is not technically w/i the rules...

[myb821]

I understood it like that as well, but when 4 agents in a row told me it's
I started to doubt myself...


I tried ticketing,
CLE-BCN (stop)
BCN-VCE (destination)
VCE-CDG (OJ)
LHR-CLE

Should that be bookable? Is the problrm that I'm staying>24 hrs at the OJ? Any way around that?

edit: it seems that this is exactly what myb is referring to, and AJK says is not technically w/i the rules...

yea your open jaw is a OK is a stop over

[AJK]

edit: it seems that this is exactly what myb is referring to, and AJK says is not technically w/i the rules...

This may help:

Whether you can have an open jaw at a stopover is a known argument here on FT -- and UA's policy is unclear. IIRC, there have been successes, but they often involve repeatedly calling back, which doesn't prove that OJ-at-stopover is legal.

At the very least, see if it prices without the OJ at the stopover.

Borderline whether it's acceptable or not (in my personal opinion, no - the o/j at the stopover point kills it). But, more importantly, I would bet my left nut that a) you will never get it to price and b) you will never find an agent who will manually price it, contrary to what Seth has said numerous times.

[YankyDoodle]

This may help:

Thanks for that clarification. One more question, in my case even if the OJ is allowable as a stopover (CDG) would my stopover at BCN be considered a second stopover, in which case it wouldn't work even according to myb and Seth?

[Drago]

@AJK

When is says
"Whether you can have an open jaw at a stopover is a known argument here on FT -- and UA's policy is unclear. IIRC, there have been successes, but they often involve repeatedly calling back, which doesn't prove that OJ-at-stopover is legal.

At the very least, see if it prices without the OJ at the stopover."

Would this explain why my example would not be valid according to them?

[AJK]

Thanks for that clarification. One more question, in my case even if the OJ is allowable as a stopover (CDG) would my stopover at BCN be considered a second stopover, in which case it wouldn't work even according to myb and Seth?

Actually, upon rereading your routing, the issue isn't an OJ at a stopover (you don't have one).

Your desired routing is:

CLE-BCN(stop)-BCN-VCE(destination)

VCE-CDG(OJ)-LHR-CLE

There is only one stopover in BCN and then an attempted OJ enroute (CDG // LHR).

Your issue, as I've mentioned here in the past, is that you can't have an enroute OJ. The system views that (justifiably) as a second stopover, which is not allowed per UA's routing rules.

[AJK]

@AJK

When is says
"Whether you can have an open jaw at a stopover is a known argument here on FT -- and UA's policy is unclear. IIRC, there have been successes, but they often involve repeatedly calling back, which doesn't prove that OJ-at-stopover is legal.

At the very least, see if it prices without the OJ at the stopover."

Would this explain why my example would not be valid according to them?

Not sure what you're referring to.

[YankyDoodle]

Also just to confirm must the OJ always be at the destination city? Is there any leeway in this?

Your issue, as I've mentioned here in the past, is that you can't have an enroute OJ. The system views that (justifiably) as a second stopover, which is not allowed per UA's routing rules.

That's what I was starting to get at in my previous post.

[Drago]

Not sure what you're referring to.

Great discussion.

I think this should easily be allowed, but the UA rep said no after lots of checking.

TLV - CLE (destination)
CLE - TLV (stopover)
TLV - BKK (OJ)

HUCA, or are they correct?

(Part of the issue may have been that it was econ to CLE, and biz for the second 2 segments. Is this possible?)

[rcarentals]

anyway united has some pretty crazily good routing teams at the star-alliance desk. the people at reservations are hopeless. the round the world desk are awesome. know what they are doing and get things done.

in short, 107500k
40k = syd-pek-hkg-zrh-jfk (X)
67.5k = lga-phl-tlv-fra-pek-syd (I)
on CA,LX,US,LH,CA. not one united flight lol.

small issue is i see when i check the lufthansa confirmation on OS25 vie-bkk in (I)... dunno what to do about it.. i would rather not call b/c i don't want people touching my golden flight... but.. it might screw everything up, if they put me as a no show and it somehow connects to my ticket?

[miles]

i did online FRA-RZE 20Hr. RZE-WAW-ORD-LGA
its priced at 70k for J and i callled in they didn want to adjust it to 50k i was 45 minutes on the phone till they adjust it

p.s. WAW-ORD on 787 Dreamliner

Update
i changed it to FRA-RZE 25hr RZE-FRA-JFK this is 2 times not legit 1) its more then 24hr 2) its returning thru the same city and its still 50K but on recipe its says 70K

[AJK]

Nothing wrong with that from a strict OJ/Stopover perspective.

[Drago]

Nothing wrong with that from a strict OJ/Stopover perspective.

That's what I thought.
Maybe they said no b/c I'm transiting multiple regions, or b/c the final pricing would have been less than a simple return to TLV

[AJK]

Have the rates desk manually price it.

[Drago]

Have the rates desk manually price it.

Spent 45 minutes with them and they said no.
Just HUCA and have all the exact flights I want?

Also, if I later change the dates, can they tell me it was mispriced and cancel it, or once I'm in, I'm golden?

[AJK]

You spent 45 mins with the rates desk?

[Drago]

You spent 45 mins with the rates desk?

Maybe it was with reservations.

[miles]

You spent 45 mins with the rates desk?

online support

[AJK]

Neither of those is the rates desk.

Now, now, friends. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

[Drago]

Neither of those is the rates desk.

Now, now, friends. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

You're being medayaik too much