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Newtown Tragedy
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2012, 01:04:31 PM »
Terrible news coming out of Connecticut. Mass shooting at an elementary school possibly up to 20 children dead along with 7-8 adults

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school/?hpt=hp_t1
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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2012, 01:15:12 PM »
18 children, 8 adults killed  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2012, 01:20:51 PM »
18 children, 8 adults killed  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
what has this world come to

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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2012, 01:28:56 PM »
Nuts
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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2012, 01:58:53 PM »
BDE. Horrifying,  ר”ל.

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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2012, 03:17:55 PM »
As a lifelong NRA member I never believed in gun control. You can only defend that belief for so long.
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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2012, 03:23:47 PM »
As a lifelong NRA member I never believed in gun control. You can only defend that belief for so long.
I've always been for gun control, its one thing which I don't understand why it has become a partisan issue.

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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #47 on: December 14, 2012, 03:25:41 PM »
I've always been for gun control, its one thing which I don't understand why it has become a partisan issue.
It has to do with the way you look at the constitution.
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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2012, 03:26:37 PM »
Though often illegal guns are used  as well.

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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2012, 03:35:22 PM »
It has to do with the way you look at the constitution.
I guess you have a point.

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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2012, 05:10:01 PM »
http://www.lohud.com/article/20121214/NEWS02/312140098/Fire-guts-Wesley-Hills-home


It's bad when u know the ppl; its much worse when its ur own home!
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Re: Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2012, 05:14:00 PM »
http://www.lohud.com/article/20121214/NEWS02/312140098/Fire-guts-Wesley-Hills-home


It's bad when u know the ppl; its much worse when its ur own home!

Oy vey!!! so sad!!! yimale hashem chesroncha!!!
  :( :'(
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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2012, 05:18:20 PM »
Terrible news coming out of Connecticut. Mass shooting at an elementary school possibly up to 20 children dead along with 7-8 adults

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school/?hpt=hp_t1

6 year old Noah Pozner z"l was among the 20 dead.  :'(

Noah Pozner, a 6-year-old boy who belongs to the Jewish community in Newtown, CT was among the victims. Noah's twin sister, also a student at the school, survived.

A family friend said that that the first grader was shot from a very short range, "execution-style."
"His tiny body couldn't handle it," the friend said.

Rabbi Shaul Praver of Newtown convened the town's Jewish congregation at the Adath Israel Synagogue on Saturday and urged worshipers to react "with love and positivity in the wake of this tragedy."

 The boy's mother, Veronique Pozner, a nurse, was among the parents who rushed to the school as news of the shooting got out. When Noah failed to exit the school, she realized what had happened.

 "She didn't know what do with herself," Praver recalled, noting she had burst into tears. While the rabbi didn't know Noah personally, he knew his family and even taught the boy's brother, David, before his Bar Mitzvah.
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Re: Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2012, 08:01:48 PM »
Oy vey!!! so sad!!! yimale hashem chesroncha!!!
  :( :'(
I have no words... it is so sad. I don't know you or your parents, but this is terrible...

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Re: Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2012, 08:09:53 PM »
Oy vey!!! so sad!!! yimale hashem chesroncha!!!
  :( :'(
+1,.  :'(

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Re: Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2012, 08:15:11 PM »
+1,.  :'(
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Re: Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2012, 08:18:53 PM »

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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2012, 08:23:01 PM »
http://www.lohud.com/article/20121214/NEWS02/312140098/Fire-guts-Wesley-Hills-home


It's bad when u know the ppl; its much worse when its ur own home!
Oy vey! My heart goes out to you as well as (unrelated) all the families of the victims and survivors of that horrific shooting.
!"ויהי רצון שיקוים הפתגם "נאך א שריפה ווערט מען ריייך

Photos of the victims
Heartbreaking.  :'(
As a lifelong NRA member I never believed in gun control. You can only defend that belief for so long.
Kudos.
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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2012, 09:13:32 PM »
As a lifelong NRA member I never believed in gun control. You can only defend that belief for so long.
Say they outlaw all guns tomorrow. 
Are all "bad guys" going to just hand in their guns? Will people who want to cause harm not be able to find the capability on the black market?
Or will there just be fewer "good guys" on the street with guns that may be able to stop such an event?
Or does it turn into another war on drugs which can't be won?

I know in my shul people (with concealed carry permits of course) come packing heat and personally in this post-Mumbai world I feel safer because of it...

Truly I'm not sure what the answer is though.  I think that a few more of these will cause Israeli style checkpoints at schools, malls, and theaters though just like we have at NFL and NBA games.
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Re: Re: Tragic News Articles
« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2012, 09:18:58 PM »
I've always been for gun control, its one thing which I don't understand why it has become a partisan issue.

Can you explain your position for gun control?

I am no expert in the Constitution, but here is what I don't understand:

If the reason for the second amendment was so that the people can defend themselves against a possible tyrannical government, then why do conservatives push for control of automatic weapons? I mean, if the government has sophisticated automatic weapons, nuclear missils, armored vehicles, aircraft carriers, drones etc... and you have a little 9mm or a single shot rifle, you may as well have nothing at all.

Secondly, the Federal Government has control of the military, but the states today have control of the National Guard and state police, and the cities have control of the city police. Even if Washington were to G-D forbid become (more) corrupt, the individual states and cities would be able to defend themselves with their own police and national guard. For example, the NYPD would take orders from Bloomberg, not from Obama.

I think it's safe to say that the second amendment no longer applies in today's day and age. (The constitution is not the "Torah Shebiksav". It applied 200 years ago, but circumstances have changed.)

The only logical argument to make for the "right to bear arms", is so that a citizen can protect themselves, not against government, but against criminals, and it is a possible crime deterrent. (I.e. one can argue that if a teacher or principle in the CT school was armed, they could have shot the killer. Same for the theater massacre in Colorado.)

It would then make sense to say that the right to bear arms should be limited to non-automatic weapons, because a 9mm would be sufficient protection against a criminal. I also believe that owning a gun should require a license and a complete background check, and you should have to recertify your license every few years.

In my opinion, to argue for "total gun control" is idiotic. 9/11 was carried out without the use of a gun, and so was the Oklahoma City bombing. Also, remember this one fact: CRIMINALS WILL ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO GET HOLD OF A GUN, the same way drug dealers get hold of crystal meth, despite it being outlawed in the U.S.

Total gun control will leave criminals armed, and innocent civilians unarmed.