Author Topic: MA'ASER ON POINTS??? (Read 32459 times)

Driven · « **Reply #120 on:** June 26, 2011, 06:29:56 PM »

Quote from: yare on June 26, 2011, 06:25:08 PM

umm, dan, isn't there a 14 year old age limit for the forums? maybe you should talk to drivels tatty and get permission for him to be posting here?

To the contrary, only someone who is immature will take issue with that comment. If you disagree skip 27a and 32a of baba Kama when learning that masechta. Also 2a of kidushin, and the list goes on.

aycee · « **Reply #121 on:** June 26, 2011, 09:37:47 PM »

Quote from: Driven on June 26, 2011, 01:34:23 AM

And it seems l'kule alma I won't have to give masser on a gift that isn't cash (at least it's not noheig).

Really?! Where did you get that from???

Driven · « **Reply #122 on:** June 27, 2011, 12:25:26 AM »

Quote from: aycee on June 26, 2011, 09:37:47 PM

Really?! Where did you get that from???

Correction: I should have said that it seems the world is not noiheg to give masser on gifts that aren't cash.

yare · « **Reply #123 on:** June 27, 2011, 06:34:24 AM »

Quote from: Dan on June 26, 2011, 03:43:38 PM

If you feel holy then by all means give maiser every time you get change for a dollar from your local supermarket.

do you often give $1 to your local supermarket and get $500 in change?

Driven · « **Reply #124 on:** June 27, 2011, 10:14:39 AM »

Quote from: yare on June 27, 2011, 06:34:24 AM

do you often give $1 to your local supermarket and get $500 in change?

I saw an episode of extreme couponing where the person bought about $800 of groceries and got $57 back. But that's not his point. Like i said earlier typically people are getting miles because they paid for them, in other words they are priced in. You buy a product for $100 and you get 100 miles the merchant on average would have reduced the cost of his products if he didn't have to compensate for transaction fees etc.

It's probably more like returning an empty soda can/bottle.

The costs of airline tickets already reflect the fact that travelers will earn free flights.

So when you buy something and receive miles it's like getting change back because it's already reflected in the amount you paid. At least that's how I understand that comment, and from what I understand it's coming from someone who understands miles as well if not better than anyone else on this forum.

I think it was a great issue to bring up, and it shows that there are still shivim ponim latorah!

Mikeoracle · « **Reply #125 on:** June 29, 2011, 11:20:02 PM »

My Rav gives a weekly shiur on Tzedaka and Ma'aser and I had a discussion with him about miles.

First here are some points he discussed in the shiur that helped establish the halacha for miles;
1) We are only noheg to give ma'aser on money or equivalent.
2) We are NOT noheg to give ma'aser on gifts. Even gift certificates are exempt because they are restricted to buying only at certain stores and it is not considered a real cash equivalent.
3) Food Stamps are also exempt for this same reason since you are restricted to buying certain items.

For this same reason Miles are exempt since it is specifically against the T & C's to sell for cash and when redeemed for its intended use it is like receiving a gift. Of course if you do sell miles then you would need to give ma'aser on that.

As always ask your LOR.

Dan · « **Reply #126 on:** June 29, 2011, 11:33:56 PM »

Yup, sounds just like what Rabbi Chaikin told me.

Mocha · « **Reply #127 on:** May 03, 2012, 10:57:57 AM »

Without starting a new maaser master thread (maybe this should be it?), does anyone have any "beneficial" maaser ideas?
Not paying schar limud yet, so thats out. Anything else?

michael · « **Reply #128 on:** May 03, 2012, 11:49:59 AM »

Quote from: Mocha on May 03, 2012, 10:57:57 AM

Without starting a new maaser master thread (maybe this should be it?), does anyone have any "beneficial" maaser ideas?
Not paying schar limud yet, so thats out. Anything else?

Don't know which town you live in, but giving it in a way that benefits a school that you want to send your kid to can help. I gave $1000 a few months ago to a school, and when I wanted to get my kid in they were much more willing to listen. Had I done it a few years ago, and every year in between, it would have been even better.

Mocha · « **Reply #129 on:** May 03, 2012, 12:07:41 PM »

Quote from: michael on May 03, 2012, 11:49:59 AM

Don't know which town you live in, but giving it in a way that benefits a school that you want to send your kid to can help. I gave $1000 a few months ago to a school, and when I wanted to get my kid in they were much more willing to listen. Had I done it a few years ago, and every year in between, it would have been even better.

Thats a pretty good idea.

miamiles · « **Reply #130 on:** May 03, 2012, 04:09:06 PM »

I would think if they are points earned as a bonus through signing up for a cc.....then you give miser...but if from charges...they are just a refund and wouldn't require miser

Dan · « **Reply #131 on:** May 03, 2012, 04:17:24 PM »

You can think whatever you want, personally this is what my LOR told me: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=8321.msg99324#msg99324

Chaikel · « **Reply #132 on:** May 03, 2012, 04:26:48 PM »

Quote from: Mocha on May 03, 2012, 10:57:57 AM

Without starting a new maaser master thread (maybe this should be it?), does anyone have any "beneficial" maaser ideas?
Not paying schar limud yet, so thats out. Anything else?

Mbsarcha al tisalem is supposed to be first priority. Don't know about you specifically, but I think most people have a reletive that could really use the money. The issue might be getting them to take it, but there are ways...

sky121 · « **Reply #133 on:** May 03, 2012, 04:31:54 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on May 03, 2012, 04:26:48 PM

Mbsarcha al tisalem is supposed to be first priority. Don't know about you specifically, but I think most people have a reletive that could really use the money. The issue might be getting them to take it, but there are ways...

+1

Or even members in your community. I tend to give my maaser towards family and widows/divorced single mothers.

ae123 · « **Reply #134 on:** May 07, 2012, 12:36:45 AM »

Quote from: aycee on June 22, 2011, 05:54:46 PM

Jews are required to tithe all of their income for charity (ma’aser); as such I am curious to know if anybody gives ma’aser on their points?

If you do, how do you do you value a point?

Of course!
If I sell them, I maaser the money I get.
If I use them to get a $1000 flight for free, I'll give $100 to maaser.

Dan · « **Reply #135 on:** May 07, 2012, 11:06:13 AM »

Quote from: ae123 on May 07, 2012, 12:36:45 AM

Of course!
If I sell them, I maaser the money I get.
If I use them to get a $1000 flight for free, I'll give $100 to maaser.

And if you get a $250,000 RTW F flight for free?
#RunningInCircles

aussiebochur · « **Reply #136 on:** May 07, 2012, 11:16:52 AM »

Quote from: Dan on May 07, 2012, 11:06:13 AM

And if you get a $250,000 RTW F flight for free?
#RunningInCircles

How do you get a $250,000 ticket?
Pricing every leg individually on kayak?

Dan · « **Reply #137 on:** May 07, 2012, 11:26:10 AM »

Quote from: aussiebochur on May 07, 2012, 11:16:52 AM

Pricing every leg individually on kayak?

Yup.

aussiebochur · « **Reply #138 on:** May 07, 2012, 11:32:56 AM »

Quote from: Dan on May 07, 2012, 11:26:10 AM

Yup.

Lol!

May feel better to get such an expensive ticket free but that is not nearly what they cost.
If you did have to give maaser, you'd look at say what a OneWorld explorer costs.

Btw, you get RTW fares in SQ Suites for around a tenth of that price...

AJK · « **Reply #139 on:** May 07, 2012, 11:47:30 AM »

Quote from: aussiebochur on May 07, 2012, 11:32:56 AM

Lol!

May feel better to get such an expensive ticket free but that is not nearly what they cost.
If you did have to give maaser, you'd look at say what a OneWorld explorer costs.

Btw, you get RTW fares in SQ Suites for around a tenth of that price...

That's amazing, especially considering EY charges about $26,000 in F just to do JFK-AUH-JFK.