Author Topic: OU-D, Dairy or Dairy equipment (Read 45979 times)

dd321 · « **on:** June 22, 2011, 10:31:20 PM »

the OU has stopped writing OU-DE on products and just write ou-d, now i've heard from alot of ppl that some products, like cinnamon toast crunch cereal and oreos arent really dairy, rather dairy equipment and ou policy is to write ou-d. any else here this? able to confirm?

elikay · « **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2011, 10:40:51 PM »

Quote from: kugelfresser on June 22, 2011, 10:31:20 PM

the OU has stopped writing OU-DE on products and just write ou-d, now i've heard from alot of ppl that some products, like cinnamon toast crunch cereal and oreos arent really dairy, rather dairy equipment and ou policy is to write ou-d. any else here this? able to confirm?

It is true that OU has a policy not to write DE can't confirm anything else.

Dan · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2011, 10:42:47 PM »

Walmart sells a very good store-brand OU-parve Cinnamon Toast Crunch

dd321 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2011, 10:45:19 PM »

Quote from: Dan on June 22, 2011, 10:42:47 PM

Walmart sells a very good store-brand OU-parve Cinnamon Toast Crunch

really? have never seen it...

Dan · « **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2011, 10:53:33 PM »

Quote from: kugelfresser on June 22, 2011, 10:45:19 PM

really? have never seen it...

They may only be carried at SuperWalmarts or Walmarts that sell grocery items.
I've dreamed of cinnamon toast crunch forever so it was quite a treat. Much better than the Cinnabon cereal IMO.

Twin · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2011, 11:19:17 PM »

Quote from: kugelfresser on June 22, 2011, 10:31:20 PM

the OU has stopped writing OU-DE on products and just write ou-d, now i've heard from alot of ppl that some products, like cinnamon toast crunch cereal and oreos arent really dairy, rather dairy equipment and ou policy is to write ou-d. any else here this? able to confirm?

cinnamon toast crunch is dairy, oreos are DE

dd321 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2011, 11:36:57 PM »

Quote from: Twin on June 22, 2011, 11:19:17 PM

cinnamon toast crunch is dairy, oreos are DE

what are u basing it on?

Deal Guy · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2011, 12:35:26 AM »

Quote from: Dan on June 22, 2011, 10:42:47 PM

Walmart sells a very good store-brand OU-parve Cinnamon Toast Crunch

If you find the exact item, please post the name.

Dan · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2011, 12:45:54 AM »

Quote from: Deal Guy on June 23, 2011, 12:35:26 AM

If you find the exact item, please post the name.

Great Value: Cinnamon Crunch Cereal
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Cinnamon-Crunch-Cereal-17-oz/11303903?adid=bzv_fb_revshr_001

Looks like it's actually OV Parve (Va'ad of S. Louis)

My local Walmart correctly displays as "Not carried" but the Supercenter I know that carries it simply says "Availability unknown"

Another parve product worth getting while at a Supercenter: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Duncan-Hines-Family-Recipe-Cookies-Chocolate-Chip-3-Pack-Club-Pack-59.55-oz/10449765

Deal Guy · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2011, 12:53:38 AM »

Quote from: Dan on June 23, 2011, 12:45:54 AM

Looks like it's actually OV Parve (Va'ad of S. Louis)

I never heard of them. I wonder how comparable they are to ou

shmiel · « **Reply #10 on:** June 23, 2011, 01:01:58 AM »

Quote from: Deal Guy on June 23, 2011, 12:53:38 AM

I never heard of them. I wonder how comparable they are to ou

I believe they are on par with OU.

A3 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2011, 01:05:09 AM »

It's funny was in target the other day. Their store brand ice cream has three diff hashgachos. Ov ou and starK.

According to the crc website ov is a very reliable supervision. On par with the ou.

shmiel · « **Reply #12 on:** June 23, 2011, 01:09:28 AM »

This should be useful http://www.cor.ca/assets/static/node/201102/files/124/cor%20kosher%20symbol%20card%20SEPT%202010%20smaller.pdf HT: COR

muttman · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2011, 10:42:03 AM »

Quote from: kugelfresser on June 22, 2011, 11:36:57 PM

what are u basing it on?

I know a yeshivish mashgiach who's family eats Oreos. He told me that they are not Milchig, only Milchig equipment

Yordai Dooma · « **Reply #14 on:** June 23, 2011, 10:46:30 AM »

Quote from: muttman on June 23, 2011, 10:42:03 AM

I know a yeshivish mashgiach who's family eats Oreos. He told me that they are not Milchig, only Milchig equipment

I know a Rosh Yeshiva that does the same...he'll eat them for desert after a fleishig meal

bosoxfan · « **Reply #15 on:** June 23, 2011, 12:10:42 PM »

This is true. OU stopped DE after a child with a severe allergy died from something that had actual dairy traces in it. (I have no idea why he was allowed to eat DE with a severe allergy). But anything without dairy stated in the ingredients is indeed Pareve.

Adam · « **Reply #16 on:** June 23, 2011, 12:22:17 PM »

A family member of mine works for a Kashrus Agency and has told me that Oreos are in fact DE and he eats them after fleishig meals.

AsherO · « **Reply #17 on:** June 23, 2011, 12:31:52 PM »

Quote from: David on June 23, 2011, 10:46:30 AM

I know a Rosh Yeshiva that does the same...he'll eat them for desert after a fleishig meal

Quote from: bosoxfan on June 23, 2011, 12:10:42 PM

This is true. OU stopped DE after a child with a severe allergy died from something that had actual dairy traces in it. (I have no idea why he was allowed to eat DE with a severe allergy). But anything without dairy stated in the ingredients is indeed Pareve.

Quote from: Adam on June 23, 2011, 12:22:17 PM

A family member of mine works for a Kashrus Agency and has told me that Oreos are in fact DE and he eats them after fleishig meals.

If this is the case then why does OU go through the hassle of writing DE (or D for that case), if they are actually pareve. I'm not taking a side, I'm just asking for a halachic/logical rationale.

springles · « **Reply #18 on:** June 23, 2011, 12:40:57 PM »

Quote from: AsherO on June 23, 2011, 12:31:52 PM

If this is the case then why does OU go through the hassle of writing DE (or D for that case), if they are actually pareve. I'm not taking a side, I'm just asking for a halachic/logical rationale.

I'm no Rabbi but I believe that DE is not the same as Pareve. Pareve may be eaten with milchig or fleishig food. DE food cannot be eaten together with fleishig food. However, it can be eaten after fleishig.

As far as the allergy story goes, it seems the OU felt it is better to be machmir and call it dairy to avoid confusion as far as allergies.

bosoxfan · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2011, 12:47:20 PM »

Quote from: AsherO on June 23, 2011, 12:31:52 PM

If this is the case then why does OU go through the hassle of writing DE (or D for that case), if they are actually pareve. I'm not taking a side, I'm just asking for a halachic/logical rationale.

Because they don't want people with Dairy allergies relying on the Hashgocha as medical clearance.