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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #301 on: September 12, 2017, 10:34:15 AM »

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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #302 on: September 12, 2017, 11:06:21 AM »
The real loss is to work and business, people left wednesday and wont be back till later this week. probably a few hundred thousand missed a week of work if not a million

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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #303 on: September 12, 2017, 12:05:26 PM »
The real loss is to work and business, people left wednesday and wont be back till later this week. probably a few hundred thousand missed a week of work if not a million
And some of them will return to find their stores emptied out by feral animals.

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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #304 on: September 12, 2017, 12:15:00 PM »
And some of them will return to find their stores emptied out by feral animals.

Probably a blessing to get the insurance payout.
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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #305 on: September 12, 2017, 01:37:15 PM »
Probably a blessing to get the insurance payout.
will they cover looting

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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #306 on: September 12, 2017, 02:43:55 PM »
...but parts of Florida it was a direct hit. All I am saying is give it to us straight. If next month they say the same thing I can guarantee you a lot less will evacuate.
A few times, Waze predicted there would be heavy traffic on my way to Philly, but there was only light traffic.  So next time I went there for Shabbos, I gave myself only 2.5 hours to get there even though Waze said 3. Makes sense?

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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #307 on: September 12, 2017, 03:58:00 PM »
A few times, Waze predicted there would be heavy traffic on my way to Philly, but there was only light traffic.  So next time I went there for Shabbos, I gave myself only 2.5 hours to get there even though Waze said 3. Makes sense?
Are you comparing a short drive to evacuating a family and leaving your home to the mercy of looters? As someone mentioned before, Irene was supposed to be a massive hurricane (don't remember the category), it "hit" Friday night, everybody in SeaGate evacuated (so much so that Rabbi Meisels from SeaGate Paskened that if you don't leave before Shabbos you won't be allowed on to a rescue boat, since it's your fault and you should have evacuated! - CM, no need to blow this up into anything...), and it ended up being a bust. What do you think happened when Sandy came???
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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #308 on: September 12, 2017, 04:00:40 PM »
(so much so that Rabbi Meisels from SeaGate Paskened that if you don't leave before Shabbos you won't be allowed on to a rescue boat, since it's your fault and you should have evacuated!
Really? Did he mean that as a final psak or to make a point? If he would have been asked on shabbos by someone who didn't would he have told them the same?
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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #309 on: September 12, 2017, 04:10:08 PM »
Are you comparing a short drive to evacuating a family and leaving your home to the mercy of looters? As someone mentioned before, Irene was supposed to be a massive hurricane (don't remember the category), it "hit" Friday night, everybody in SeaGate evacuated (so much so that Rabbi Meisels from SeaGate Paskened that if you don't leave before Shabbos you won't be allowed on to a rescue boat, since it's your fault and you should have evacuated! - CM, no need to blow this up into anything...), and it ended up being a bust. What do you think happened when Sandy came???
The comparison is that even though previous predictions ended up being less accurate, doesn't mean you should do something risky the next time.

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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #310 on: September 12, 2017, 04:48:00 PM »
The news here they kept on saying
"Yes, this is exactly as we predicted"😯

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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #311 on: September 12, 2017, 05:07:05 PM »
Really? Did he mean that as a final psak or to make a point? If he would have been asked on shabbos by someone who didn't would he have told them the same?
Probably more to make a point. I wasn't expecting you to nitpick on that part :)
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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #312 on: September 12, 2017, 05:08:13 PM »
The comparison is that even though previous predictions ended up being less accurate, doesn't mean you should do something risky the next time.
And my point is, that what you're describing is precisely what happened
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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #313 on: September 12, 2017, 05:30:48 PM »
Probably more to make a point. I wasn't expecting you to nitpick on that part :)
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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #314 on: September 12, 2017, 11:07:40 PM »
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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #315 on: September 12, 2017, 11:08:50 PM »
Why do I think there is more to the story?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-brook/news/ct-dob-hurricane-vehicle-stolen-tl-0914-20170912-story.html
Both vehicles were left unlocked with the keys inside, and the belongings of the woman who had driven from Florida were left in her vehicle, police said.
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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #316 on: September 12, 2017, 11:20:36 PM »
The news was full of heavy scary words like catastrophic, deadly, devastating.

I dont think it would have killed many in a direct hit but yes it would be damaging, how does evacuating help

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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #317 on: September 12, 2017, 11:32:27 PM »
The news was full of heavy scary words like catastrophic, deadly, devastating.

I dont think it would have killed many in a direct hit but yes it would be damaging, how does evacuating help
The biggest killer is storm surge. Water can rise 15-20ft if not more and completely flood coastal cities and towns. The evacuation is so that people don't drown or get stranded.
They also evacuate mobile homes, as they are the first to go. If you see some of the images from the keys, lots of mobile homes were completely blown around.

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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #318 on: September 13, 2017, 12:14:15 AM »
The biggest killer is storm surge. Water can rise 15-20ft if not more and completely flood coastal cities and towns. The evacuation is so that people don't drown or get stranded.
They also evacuate mobile homes, as they are the first to go. If you see some of the images from the keys, lots of mobile homes were completely blown around.

+1. Evacuation was absolutely necessary. There was a significant risk of a catastrophic hit on Miami, causing building collapses, water in higher floors of buildings, fires, etc. You're saying it wasn't too bad, but there is a huge difference between 70mph impacts and 140mph impacts, and there was a significant risk of the latter when they needed to decide on an evacuation. Keep in mind that they can't wait until the storm is 6hr away before they make evacuation rules, since no one will be able to then get out.

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Re: Hurricane Irma
« Reply #319 on: September 13, 2017, 09:45:37 AM »
5 dead in a Hollywood, FL nursing home due to no power/AC http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article173019111.html
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