Author Topic: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?  (Read 10086 times)

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are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« on: September 16, 2017, 09:29:15 PM »
Not sure if this is Miami only but so many people I talk to work at the local chabad school and often it boils down to getting a discount for their kids... So in short it's like this flow chart :

School charges a ton - pays crap - parents that work there get discount for kids while being paid crap - school claims that they need to charge a ton and pay crap because low cash flow - conviently ignoring the teacher patent discounts.

So, parents are slaves to the institution, quality teacher without Kids there would work there given the terrible wages, the school has cash flow issues due to this and it pretty much helps foster nepotism and coddles friends.

Reason #250 id never send my kids to a traditional yeshiva operating like this

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 09:33:25 PM »
If the discount + crap pay isn't worth it then just get another job and pay full price.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 09:36:34 PM »
If the discount + crap pay isn't worth it then just get another job and pay full price.

Hard to beat a tuition discount when you have 3-5 kids in yeshiva. Alsk sadly, many religious women lack the tools or education to function in the workplace paying more than this, couple that with a society where teaching and education is highly glorified.. Yeah your going to teach.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 10:01:06 PM »



Reason #250 id never send my kids to a traditional yeshiva operating like this

I think I can guess #1-249...
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 10:08:24 PM »

I think I can guess #1-249...

Naw maybe 1-120 ;) the rest evolves around this topic etc.. Maybe it does stem from hashkafa values or lack of

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 10:20:24 PM »
And now they gonna charge you even more to fix building

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2017, 11:44:53 PM »


Reason #250 id never send my kids to a traditional yeshiva operating like this
So where do u send your kids? Public school?

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 01:41:44 AM »
So where do u send your kids? Public school?
Just like the do-Jewish-on-$40k guy recommends
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2017, 02:29:21 AM »
So where do u send your kids? Public school?


no idea, I'm single, I'll explore this with my wife. Although, it's cheaper to Home school your kids if you pay tuition for 3-4 vs being a slave to the system.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2017, 02:33:29 AM »

no idea, I'm single, I'll explore this with my wife. Although, it's cheaper to Home school your kids if you pay tuition for 3-4 vs being a slave to the system.
Holy cow! You're this bitter and you haven't even started paying tuition yet? You're in for a treat!
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2017, 05:54:20 AM »
Holy cow! You're this bitter and you haven't even started paying tuition yet? You're in for a treat!
Being that this type of bitterness usually comes from the misinformed outsiders, it kind of makes sense.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2017, 07:35:29 AM »
Being that this type of bitterness usually comes from the misinformed outsiders, it kind of makes sense.
I am going to take a wild guess and say there is bitterness from informed insiders about tuition also.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2017, 07:44:20 AM »
Most mainstream Orthodox Jewish private schools tuition levels aren't so out of whack with the average cost per student in public school. In NY the average is about $20k per student, with the national average being about $11k. (Florida happens to be on the low end of the spectrum.)

http://www.governing.com/topics/education/gov-education-funding-states.html
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2017, 07:48:01 AM »
Most mainstream Orthodox Jewish private schools tuition levels aren't so out of whack with the average cost per student in public school. In NY the average is about $20k per student, with the national average being about $11k. (Florida happens to be on the low end of the spectrum.)

http://www.governing.com/topics/education/gov-education-funding-states.html
Cant compare public with private schools. They offer a ton of more things than private schools do.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2017, 10:09:13 AM »
I'm bitter at the cycle of indentured servitude.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2017, 10:17:26 AM »
Cant compare public with private schools. They offer a ton of more things than private schools do.
That is true, that both offer things that the other doesn't, so it's not a fair comparison. It's also inherently flawed because the biggest costs per student are special education cases, which is included in the average cost per student in the district by public schools, but not included in the tuition model for mainstream private schools. Another large expense for private schools are building expenses and mortgages, which I'm unsure how they play into the cost models by public schools. Overall, it's a very non scientific comparison.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2017, 11:20:59 AM »
@chevron maybe move to somewhere like Cleveland with tuition vouchers.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2017, 11:34:55 AM »
@chevron maybe move to somewhere like Cleveland with tuition vouchers.

this isnt affecting me as I have no kids (that I know of)  but affects many of my friends.

But im bothered that there is 0 transparency in some schools. Nothing that justifies the high level of tuition, to a point where parents take a job getting paid penny's so that they save on tuition.


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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2017, 11:39:24 AM »
Lack of transparency is somewhat of an issue although it is unreasonable to expect them to open their books to all who ask. The biggest question is if the school provides the education which the parents are looking for and if there are any alternatives other than home schooling.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2017, 11:55:54 AM »
(that I know of)
So there could be kids?
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