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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2017, 12:09:31 PM »
So there could be kids?
It's not even Wednesday yet.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2017, 12:16:40 PM »
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2017, 12:56:33 PM »
So there could be kids?

Let's not go there.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2017, 12:59:21 PM »
Let's not go there.
I am trying to figure out why you would say that. Was it a joke?
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2017, 03:27:57 PM »
I am trying to figure out why you would say that. Was it a joke?
A classic @chevron one.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2017, 02:16:52 PM »
I am trying to figure out why you would say that. Was it a joke?

I dont make jokes

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2017, 03:15:43 PM »
Just like the do-Jewish-on-$40k guy recommends
he is ridiculous. Did he just discover that going to a hotel on Pesach is not a requirement?

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2017, 04:08:37 PM »
Not sure if this is Miami only but so many people I talk to work at the local chabad school and often it boils down to getting a discount for their kids... So in short it's like this flow chart :

School charges a ton - pays crap - parents that work there get discount for kids while being paid crap - school claims that they need to charge a ton and pay crap because low cash flow - conviently ignoring the teacher patent discounts.

So, parents are slaves to the institution, quality teacher without Kids there would work there given the terrible wages, the school has cash flow issues due to this and it pretty much helps foster nepotism and coddles friends.

Reason #250 id never send my kids to a traditional yeshiva operating like this
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2017, 05:39:49 PM »
he is ridiculous. Did he just discover that going to a hotel on Pesach is not a requirement?
I'll agree that he is a little ridiculous, anyone willing to take their kids out of a Jewish school doesn't even belong in the conversation about tuition. On the other hand, he does raise some very good points. How many people out there can afford the full tuition that they're forced to pay? I personally would never belong to a shul where the Rav makes $350k a year but the fact that shuls like that are out there is kind of disgusting (to be fair, I'm not sure how many of those shuls actually exist.) As the son of a doctor, a profession which everyone assumes always does "well", I can tell you that there were times when he was out of a job and I can imagine how he had to slink off to the school to ask for a break in tuition which probably wasn't given that easily. B"H he has his own practice now and is doing fine but my parents are just starting to save for retirement now with 4 kids still to marry off. How most frum people can ever afford to retire is honestly beyond me.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2017, 02:18:09 PM »
I'll agree that he is a little ridiculous, anyone willing to take their kids out of a Jewish school doesn't even belong in the conversation about tuition. On the other hand, he does raise some very good points. How many people out there can afford the full tuition that they're forced to pay? I personally would never belong to a shul where the Rav makes $350k a year but the fact that shuls like that are out there is kind of disgusting (to be fair, I'm not sure how many of those shuls actually exist.) As the son of a doctor, a profession which everyone assumes always does "well", I can tell you that there were times when he was out of a job and I can imagine how he had to slink off to the school to ask for a break in tuition which probably wasn't given that easily. B"H he has his own practice now and is doing fine but my parents are just starting to save for retirement now with 4 kids still to marry off. How most frum people can ever afford to retire is honestly beyond me.

My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2017, 02:46:17 PM »
My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues
Maybe I'm naive but I think your school is part of the 1% (unless there's more to the story).Most schools would never do something like that.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2017, 02:47:46 PM »
My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues
That's terrible! This was in an OOT school?
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2017, 02:56:27 PM »
That's terrible! This was in an OOT school?

Define OOT? I didnt grow up in NYC

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2017, 04:00:44 PM »
My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues
I'm sorry you had to go through that you should be upset with the school you went to not the system.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2017, 04:24:57 PM »
Maybe I'm naive but I think your school is part of the 1% (unless there's more to the story).Most schools would never do something like that.
+1 This is definitely the exception not the rule.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2017, 04:48:05 PM »
My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues
Wow. This is crazy. I worked in a Yeshiva for a couple of years, while we had issues with people not paying tuition, and the Yeshiva really needed the money to cover salaries, we would never dream of doing that to Talmidim.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2017, 05:06:27 PM »
Wow. This is crazy. I worked in a Yeshiva for a couple of years, while we had issues with people not paying tuition, and the Yeshiva really needed the money to cover salaries, we would never dream of doing that to Talmidim.

we have mandatory parent hours to help compensate. The parent can assist on evenings/weekends/legal holidays. Even if they both work.

It's doubly beneficial. It encourages some of the parents who can calculate how they may be able to re-structure certain things/luxuries and actually pay a drop more. It also give the school much needed funds via fundraisers, talent, emergency substitutes, and IT, painting, Sunday clubs, professional high school supplemental programs, etc...
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2017, 05:41:24 PM »
we have mandatory parent hours to help compensate. The parent can assist on evenings/weekends/legal holidays. Even if they both work.

It's doubly beneficial. It encourages some of the parents who can calculate how they may be able to re-structure certain things/luxuries and actually pay a drop more. It also give the school much needed funds via fundraisers, talent, emergency substitutes, and IT, painting, Sunday clubs, professional high school supplemental programs, etc...

that's great. So not only are the parents working long hours and not making it, they also need to work weekends for you. 

Sounds like this thread is aptly titled.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2017, 05:48:32 PM »
that's great. So not only are the parents working long hours and not making it, they also need to work weekends for you. 

Sounds like this thread is aptly titled.

referring to parents that are paying only 20% or less of the requested tuition per child. They 'donate' 60-80 hrs avg to the school per year -- in their own schedule. That's only 8 hrs/month work-from-home for their kids' school for a $40,000 - $60,000 value return.
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