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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2017, 02:18:09 PM »
I'll agree that he is a little ridiculous, anyone willing to take their kids out of a Jewish school doesn't even belong in the conversation about tuition. On the other hand, he does raise some very good points. How many people out there can afford the full tuition that they're forced to pay? I personally would never belong to a shul where the Rav makes $350k a year but the fact that shuls like that are out there is kind of disgusting (to be fair, I'm not sure how many of those shuls actually exist.) As the son of a doctor, a profession which everyone assumes always does "well", I can tell you that there were times when he was out of a job and I can imagine how he had to slink off to the school to ask for a break in tuition which probably wasn't given that easily. B"H he has his own practice now and is doing fine but my parents are just starting to save for retirement now with 4 kids still to marry off. How most frum people can ever afford to retire is honestly beyond me.

My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2017, 02:46:17 PM »
My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues
Maybe I'm naive but I think your school is part of the 1% (unless there's more to the story).Most schools would never do something like that.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2017, 02:47:46 PM »
My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues
That's terrible! This was in an OOT school?
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2017, 02:56:27 PM »
That's terrible! This was in an OOT school?

Define OOT? I didnt grow up in NYC

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2017, 04:00:44 PM »
My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues
I'm sorry you had to go through that you should be upset with the school you went to not the system.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2017, 04:24:57 PM »
Maybe I'm naive but I think your school is part of the 1% (unless there's more to the story).Most schools would never do something like that.
+1 This is definitely the exception not the rule.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2017, 04:48:05 PM »
My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues
Wow. This is crazy. I worked in a Yeshiva for a couple of years, while we had issues with people not paying tuition, and the Yeshiva really needed the money to cover salaries, we would never dream of doing that to Talmidim.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2017, 05:06:27 PM »
Wow. This is crazy. I worked in a Yeshiva for a couple of years, while we had issues with people not paying tuition, and the Yeshiva really needed the money to cover salaries, we would never dream of doing that to Talmidim.

we have mandatory parent hours to help compensate. The parent can assist on evenings/weekends/legal holidays. Even if they both work.

It's doubly beneficial. It encourages some of the parents who can calculate how they may be able to re-structure certain things/luxuries and actually pay a drop more. It also give the school much needed funds via fundraisers, talent, emergency substitutes, and IT, painting, Sunday clubs, professional high school supplemental programs, etc...
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2017, 05:41:24 PM »
we have mandatory parent hours to help compensate. The parent can assist on evenings/weekends/legal holidays. Even if they both work.

It's doubly beneficial. It encourages some of the parents who can calculate how they may be able to re-structure certain things/luxuries and actually pay a drop more. It also give the school much needed funds via fundraisers, talent, emergency substitutes, and IT, painting, Sunday clubs, professional high school supplemental programs, etc...

that's great. So not only are the parents working long hours and not making it, they also need to work weekends for you. 

Sounds like this thread is aptly titled.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2017, 05:48:32 PM »
that's great. So not only are the parents working long hours and not making it, they also need to work weekends for you. 

Sounds like this thread is aptly titled.

referring to parents that are paying only 20% or less of the requested tuition per child. They 'donate' 60-80 hrs avg to the school per year -- in their own schedule. That's only 8 hrs/month work-from-home for their kids' school for a $40,000 - $60,000 value return.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2017, 06:02:33 PM »
My father lost his job, the local yeshiva sent us home midday, took us out of class, myself, siblings and other kids who were behind on tuition, the shame of this never went away, I was 10, my brother was 6 and is still to this day very hurt by it, we stayed home for some time and went to other schools later.

So yeah I do have a grudge maybe but I also have valid issues
That is in no way a typical occurrence. The school is 100% in the wrong here. This an unusual circumstance and a challenge that God gives only to people whom he knows are strong enough to surmount it.
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are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2017, 01:02:27 AM »
Most mainstream Orthodox Jewish private schools tuition levels aren't so out of whack with the average cost per student in public school. In NY the average is about $20k per student, with the national average being about $11k. (Florida happens to be on the low end of the spectrum.)

http://www.governing.com/topics/education/gov-education-funding-states.html
This citation needs to stop. The chart in the article states that the cost of instruction in NY is $8700 per student. The rest is most employee benefits, like excellent premium free healthcare, generous paid leave, pensions and ALSO, pupil support services like textbooks, school food and buses hat are provided to all students as part of this figure.

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2017, 07:00:32 AM »
This citation needs to stop. The chart in the article states that the cost of instruction in NY is $8700 per student. The rest is most employee benefits, like excellent premium free healthcare, generous paid leave, pensions and ALSO, pupil support services like textbooks, school food and buses hat are provided to all students as part of this figure.

Not sure I follow.

Are you trying to say that all the rest is optional stuff? Seems like employee comp is part of the cost.  And textbooks. You may think public schools overpay, but it definitely gotta into the comparison

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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2017, 07:48:01 AM »
This citation needs to stop. The chart in the article states that the cost of instruction in NY is $8700 per student. The rest is most employee benefits, like excellent premium free healthcare, generous paid leave, pensions and ALSO, pupil support services like textbooks, school food and buses hat are provided to all students as part of this figure.

Therefore, most Jewish day schools that provide the dual "Hebrew/Judaic" and "General Studies" curriculum would require at least an additional 60% in funding to cover these additional costs.
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Re: are parents enslaved to yeshiva?
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2017, 08:25:59 AM »
Not sure if this is Miami only but so many people I talk to work at the local chabad school and often it boils down to getting a discount for their kids... So in short it's like this flow chart :

School charges a ton - pays crap - parents that work there get discount for kids while being paid crap - school claims that they need to charge a ton and pay crap because low cash flow - conviently ignoring the teacher patent discounts.

So, parents are slaves to the institution, quality teacher without Kids there would work there given the terrible wages, the school has cash flow issues due to this and it pretty much helps foster nepotism and coddles friends.

Reason #250 id never send my kids to a traditional yeshiva operating like this

I'm a consumer and I chose my kids school. It's a fantastic school that fosters educational growth, a quality Torah education and a warm environment. It's hard to pay for but it's worth every penny. If I didn't think it was worth it, I would find another solution.

Many people feel trapped in the local school, but the truth is that there are options. Even if there is only one school in town, you can homeschool, move, hire a tutor, send to public school or commute. I'm sure there are other options people can think about.

The cost of tuition is the largest burden for most people I know. At least make sure that you are getting good value.