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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2017, 09:28:52 PM »
Just read it. With all due respect, I am not convinced. It seems to me that it's a bit "ibergtribben" to seek out Davka an Esrog from a Calabria tree in Italy, and not EY.
No one is trying to convince you of anything.

While Chabad stands for חכמה בינה ודעת, those alone don't make one a chossid. One cannot be a chossid without a Rebbe. The connection between chossid and Rebbe reach higher and deeper than intellect.

Anyone who was in Crown Heights for sukkos up to (and including) 5752 couldn't care less about an Esrog. We made a ברכה on the Esrog the Rebbe chose and used, and that was all that mattered. No one showed off Esrogim in shul. Unfortunately things have changed, but at least for people of a certain age (and/or conviction) the concept of having the nicest Esrog we can buy is simply foreign.

I literally felt like I have to look in the mirror to make sure I still have a full beard, after I agreed to pay so much for an Esrog this year.
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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2017, 09:30:29 PM »
No one is trying to convince you of anything.

While Chabad stands for חכמה בינה ודעת, those alone don't make one a chossid. One cannot be a chosid without a Rebbe. The connection between chossid and Rebbe reach higher and deeper than intellect.

Anyone who was in Crown Heights for sukkos up to (and including) 5752 couldn't care less about an Esrog. We made a ברכה on the Esrog the Rebbe chose and used, and that was all that mattered. No one showed off Esrogim in shul. Unfortunately things have changed, but at least for people of a certain age (and/or conviction) the concept of having the nicest Esrog we can buy is simply foreign.

I literally felt like I have to look in the mirror to make sure I still have a full beard, after I agreed to pay so much for an Esrog this year.

I'm not sure what you are saying is a good thing.

Spending money on mitzvas is very special and I don't think anyone will tell you the Rebbe didn't want that to be a part of Jews/chassidims lives.
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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2017, 09:32:19 PM »
I'm not sure what you are saying is a good thing.

Spending money on mitzvas is very special
So do you want to buy my Esrog for $2,000?


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and I don't think anyone will tell you the Rebbe didn't want that to be a part of Jews/chassidims lives.
What the Rebbe said is far from a secret. I don't know if there's anyone who has so much of what he said publicl, as well as thousands of letters, printed and readily available. Please back up your claims with quotes.

Don't get me wrong, I am not totally refuting the importance of חביבות מצוה (there might even be some of my own quotes around DDF for that. HOWEVER, the Rebbe did set quite clear PRIORITIES, some explicitly, some implicitly, and some are just understood by some (or many). IMHO spending big $ on an Esrog is not one of them. Rather spend the same amount to buy a few sets so other yidden can do the Mitzvah.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2017, 09:41:13 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2017, 09:33:57 PM »
So do you want to buy my Esrog for $2,000?
No but if that was the price, I would try to not bemoan the fact that it is, I would try and appreciate how special it is. Just like my morah taught me in kindergarten.
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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2017, 09:37:21 PM »
No one is trying to convince you of anything.

While Chabad stands for חכמה בינה ודעת, those alone don't make one a chossid. One cannot be a chossid without a Rebbe. The connection between chossid and Rebbe reach higher and deeper than intellect.

Anyone who was in Crown Heights for sukkos up to (and including) 5752 couldn't care less about an Esrog. We made a ברכה on the Esrog the Rebbe chose and used, and that was all that mattered. No one showed off Esrogim in shul. Unfortunately things have changed, but at least for people of a certain age (and/or conviction) the concept of having the nicest Esrog we can buy is simply foreign.

I literally felt like I have to look in the mirror to make sure I still have a full beard, after I agreed to pay so much for an Esrog this year.
Y'all didn't used to have your own sets?

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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2017, 09:48:38 PM »
No but if that was the price, I would try to not bemoan the fact that it is, I would try and appreciate how special it is. Just like my morah taught me in kindergarten.
See my edit above.

In case you misunderstood me, let me clarify. If that was the regular price of a high low-end or of an average Esrog, I wouldn't have a problem. What makes me feel awkward is that I paid this year somewhere between 2x and 3x the price I would pay every year, WHILE OTHERS PAID THOSE PRICES EVERY YEAR and it made them feel good and important. I don't want to be in that category! I never believed I would pay this much for a set (though in some years I've paid for Hadassim almost as much as the rest of the set, but that's a different story).
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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2017, 09:53:55 PM »
Y'all didn't used to have your own sets?
Before 5752 bochurim very rarely had their own sets. Married people had sets, but if they were in Crown Heights they made a brocho on the Rebbe's set too. They used their own sets for Davening, mivtzoim, and for women and children in the family to make a brocho.

I was never in Kfar Chabad for sukkos before I was married (was there only one time since), but from what I understand there were a handful of Yanover Esrogim in Kfar Chabad, and most people would make a brocho on those, and then use their own for Davening (and mivtzoim).
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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2017, 12:32:24 AM »
Just read it. With all due respect, I am not convinced. It seems to me that it's a bit "ibergtribben" to seek out Davka an Esrog from a Calabria tree in Italy, and not EY.
Ppl have minhagim about these things. Why do you find it "ibergtibben"?
@Dan Pls add a poll.

1. I am Chabad and I am spending any amount necessary for a real yanover.

2. I am chabad, and I will not be extorted. I will buy from Kfar chabad, and will shake some gvirs esrog in shul (or on the street...

3. I am not chabad but I need to be involved


But just as a btw, not only Chabbad uses Yanover

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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2017, 08:59:49 AM »
Ppl have minhagim about these things. Why do you find it "ibergtibben"?

But just as a btw, not only Chabbad uses Yanover
I use Yanover Esrogim, as well. But I don't see why it should be any less desirable if it was grown in EY.

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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2017, 10:40:00 AM »
im using a real ynavoer from calabria italy. end of story.

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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2017, 10:52:16 AM »
im using a real ynavoer from calabria italy. end of story.
What are you paying for it?
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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2017, 10:52:24 AM »
Add to poll:

Would you take a non mehudar yanover (ie barely kosher lebracha) over a beautiful chazon ish?


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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2017, 11:01:45 AM »
Add to poll:

Would you take a non mehudar yanover (ie barely kosher lebracha) over a beautiful chazon ish?


As well as


Would you take a non mehudar chazon ish(ie barely kosher lebracha) over a beautiful yanover?

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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2017, 11:03:58 AM »
Yes, pls add both of those to the poll.


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Re: Yanovor Esrogim
« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2017, 11:15:28 AM »
As well as


Would you take a non mehudar chazon ish(ie barely kosher lebracha) over a beautiful yanover?
Nah... Really? Yanover are pretty much universally accepted for yichus.

(Though I think in recent years there may be reported issues without a reliable hechsher)