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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2017, 03:21:35 PM »
I always thought like you, that the Yaaleh/Pischu Li and Ki hinei were Universal Ashkenazi songs.

But maybe their Chabad, and were adopted by Litvaks.

I didn't hear good enough proof either way.

I'm undecided.


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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2017, 03:21:49 PM »
We don't use that tune.

And indeed it is much more Chabad sounding than the other 2
That's the difference between songs composed by a Chabad Rebbe vs a Chosid.
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2017, 03:27:50 PM »

Which Rebbe composed Yemin Hashem?

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2017, 03:28:16 PM »
Which Rebbe composed Yemin Hashem?
Tzemach Tzedek
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2017, 03:29:53 PM »
Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that the song composed by the Rebbes have more of a distinct sound?

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #65 on: September 28, 2017, 03:30:41 PM »
"my cousin's grandfather made up that song."
I'm not sure if you mean that literally or figuratively :P

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #66 on: September 28, 2017, 03:31:30 PM »
Who composed Anim Zemiros?

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #67 on: September 28, 2017, 03:32:35 PM »
All these niggunim are not chabbad, they are the standard ashkenaz nusach..

IDK.

However see: https://www.ivelt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=244498&sid=a2fe10c4c2216523b77dc6bc400cfdbc#p244498 keep reading down from there a few posts.
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http://www.chabad.co.il/?template=article&topic=293&article=3245 (last section titled: "לאן נעלמו שירי הלויים")

I don't think any of this proves anything. I haven't heard until today the rumor that Ki Hinei Kachoimer was composed by one of the Charitonows, but now that I've heard that, is there any other rumor/tradition/legend about the source of the tune?
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #68 on: September 28, 2017, 03:32:51 PM »
Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that the song composed by the Rebbes have more of a distinct sound?
Absolutely.
All of the songs you and CBC have mentioned as what you think of traditionally chabad nigunim were composed by Rebbeim.
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #69 on: September 28, 2017, 03:34:48 PM »
Who composed Anim Zemiros?
Anim Zemiros sung in Lubavitch is one of the niggunim taught by the Rebbe on Simchas Torah 5722 http://www20.chassidus.com/audio/nigun/12-09-Anim-Z-Miros-Heichal-Neginah.mp3
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2017, 03:36:33 PM »
Absolutely.
All of the songs you and CBC have mentioned as what you think of traditionally chabad nigunim were composed by Rebbeim.
Interesting. I've heard the distinct sound has to do with them living in Russia. And it was a Russian music influence.

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #72 on: September 28, 2017, 03:38:08 PM »
Anim Zemiros sung in Lubavitch is one of the niggunim taught by the Rebbe on Simchas Torah 5722 http://www20.chassidus.com/audio/nigun/12-09-Anim-Z-Miros-Heichal-Neginah.mp3
Did he compose it? Because if he did, I'm becoming a meshichist. That song was definitely a nevuah!

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #73 on: September 28, 2017, 03:40:07 PM »
Did he compose it? Because if he did, I'm becoming a meshichist. That song was definitely a nevuah!
Did you listen to the entire thing until the end? There's a story there.

BTW, you are already a meshichist!  ;)
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2017, 03:42:32 PM »
Interesting. I've heard the distinct sound has to do with them living in Russia. And it was a Russian music influence.

From the Nigunei Chabad Portal linked above:

בכללות מתחלקים הניגונים לשלוש קטגוריות:
ניגון מכוון: ניגון שהוא פרי חיבורו של האדמו"ר. כל תנועה בניגון רומזת לענין גבוה ונשגב ותנועותיו מכוונות לעולמות עליונים.
ניגון מיוחס (ממולא): ניגון שגדולי החסידים התפללו בו ולכן הוא "ממולא". כלומר, בעל תוכן המחזיק בתוכו תמצית פנימית, בבטאו איזה רגש נפשי.
ניגון שוטה: ניגון שהוא כמו 'הדס שוטה', שאינו אומר ולא כלום, הם ניגונים שונים שהתווספו אצל החסידים במשך הזמן, מהם ניתן ללמוד הוראות בעבודת השם וכיו"ב.
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2017, 03:43:20 PM »
Did you listen to the entire thing until the end? There's a story there.

BTW, you are already a meshichist!  ;)
I didn't listen to the whole thing.

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2017, 03:53:55 PM »
I don't think everyone here understands the degree of obsession that Chabad has with their Niggunim.

There is literally a Sefer HaNiggunim (2 vol.), which was published in the 1940s (IINM). The Niggunim are written out with musical notation and all the historical info, such as composer, date, place, style, meaning, stories, anecdotes, etc., is included.

When a Niggun is not original, and is adopted, that's written too.
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2017, 03:55:15 PM »
I don't think everyone here understands the degree of obsession that Chabad has with their Niggunim.

There is literally a Sefer HaNiggunim (2 vol.), which was published in the 1940s (IINM). The Niggunim are written out with musical notation and all the historical info, such as composer, date, place, style, meaning, stories, anecdotes, etc., is included.

When a Niggun is not original, and is adopted, that's written too.
Is either Yaaleh or Ki Hinei in there?

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2017, 03:59:03 PM »
Is either Yaaleh or Ki Hinei in there?
Yes - they both are.

Niggun #76 and #66, respectively.
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2017, 04:03:14 PM »
Is either Yaaleh or Ki Hinei in there?
If you have access to Otzar Hachochma, sefer hanigunim is there: https://www.otzar.org/wotzar/book.aspx?141457
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