Author Topic: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim  (Read 7403 times)

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2017, 03:43:20 PM »
Did you listen to the entire thing until the end? There's a story there.

BTW, you are already a meshichist!  ;)
I didn't listen to the whole thing.

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2017, 03:53:55 PM »
I don't think everyone here understands the degree of obsession that Chabad has with their Niggunim.

There is literally a Sefer HaNiggunim (2 vol.), which was published in the 1940s (IINM). The Niggunim are written out with musical notation and all the historical info, such as composer, date, place, style, meaning, stories, anecdotes, etc., is included.

When a Niggun is not original, and is adopted, that's written too.
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2017, 03:55:15 PM »
I don't think everyone here understands the degree of obsession that Chabad has with their Niggunim.

There is literally a Sefer HaNiggunim (2 vol.), which was published in the 1940s (IINM). The Niggunim are written out with musical notation and all the historical info, such as composer, date, place, style, meaning, stories, anecdotes, etc., is included.

When a Niggun is not original, and is adopted, that's written too.
Is either Yaaleh or Ki Hinei in there?

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2017, 03:59:03 PM »
Is either Yaaleh or Ki Hinei in there?
Yes - they both are.

Niggun #76 and #66, respectively.
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2017, 04:03:14 PM »
Is either Yaaleh or Ki Hinei in there?
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2017, 04:05:59 PM »
From the Nigunei Chabad Portal linked above:

בכללות מתחלקים הניגונים לשלוש קטגוריות:
ניגון מכוון: ניגון שהוא פרי חיבורו של האדמו"ר. כל תנועה בניגון רומזת לענין גבוה ונשגב ותנועותיו מכוונות לעולמות עליונים.
ניגון מיוחס (ממולא): ניגון שגדולי החסידים התפללו בו ולכן הוא "ממולא". כלומר, בעל תוכן המחזיק בתוכו תמצית פנימית, בבטאו איזה רגש נפשי.
ניגון שוטה: ניגון שהוא כמו 'הדס שוטה', שאינו אומר ולא כלום, הם ניגונים שונים שהתווספו אצל החסידים במשך הזמן, מהם ניתן ללמוד הוראות בעבודת השם וכיו"ב.
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2017, 04:06:07 PM »
Should this thread be broken off somewhere for Chabad Nigunim?
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2017, 04:10:05 PM »
Yah break it off. And more links to good recordings.

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2017, 04:12:14 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1372645/alert-the-great-haddasim-scam-a-halachic-analysis-and-warning.html
מה עניין שמיטה אצל הר סיני?

That article seems to be nothing but an attempt to grab headlines. Anyone can check their hadassim, and many of the closed packages areinspectable before opened.

However, unlike a הדס שוטה which is not kosher, a ניגון שוטה, despite the fact that it isn't sourced properly, could have a positive contribution.
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #84 on: September 28, 2017, 04:13:52 PM »

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #85 on: September 28, 2017, 04:16:02 PM »
Nope, I think the middle link is pischu. Top and bottom are the universal yaaleh.

All these niggunim are not chabbad, they are the standard ashkenaz nusach..

Chabbad niggunim are tzoma, 4 bbovas etc. These are totally different styles.

That "etc" includes hundreds upon hundreds of songs composed over more than 200 years, by Rabbeim and Chassidim, across different countries.

Trying to pin a Chabad niggun by style is impossible.

Anyway, there are Chabad Chassidim with an encyclopedic knowledge of niggunim and their origins. They will tell you the different kvetches used in different villages for the same song. @ExGingi linked to one such person above, and if he says Aharon Charitonow composed Ki Hinei Kachomer, Aharon Charitonow composed the song.

I'm not sure if you mean that literally or figuratively :P

lol. Not literal in this case (though it is possible I'm related on my wife's side, impossible for me to keep track).
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #86 on: September 28, 2017, 04:28:48 PM »
I don't think everyone here understands the degree of obsession that Chabad has with their Niggunim.

There is literally a Sefer HaNiggunim (2 vol.), which was published in the 1940s (IINM). The Niggunim are written out with musical notation and all the historical info, such as composer, date, place, style, meaning, stories, anecdotes, etc., is included.

When a Niggun is not original, and is adopted, that's written too.
Yes, because general universal niggunim that were adopted and sung by chabbad now become "chabad niggunim"

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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #87 on: September 28, 2017, 04:35:14 PM »
Yes, because general universal niggunim that were adopted and sung by chabbad now become "chabad niggunim"
I think you are onto something here.

FYI, Moshe Rabeinu was also a Lubavitcher.  ;)
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #88 on: September 28, 2017, 04:36:27 PM »
I think you are onto something here.

FYI, Moshe Rabeinu was also a Lubavitcher.  ;)
Sort of like the set of Kovetz sifrei chassidus (or something like that) which has not shortage of sforim by full fledged misnagdim included.
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Re: songs for yamim noraim
« Reply #89 on: September 28, 2017, 04:39:06 PM »
I think you are onto something here.

FYI, Moshe Rabeinu was also a Lubavitcher.  ;)
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