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Hungarian citizenship by descent
« on: October 17, 2017, 02:14:04 PM »
Has anyone received Hungarian citizenship based on Hungarian ancestry? I believe they have made the process smoother but would like to hear from someone with experience.

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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2024, 10:34:33 PM »
Has anyone received Hungarian citizenship based on Hungarian ancestry? I believe they have made the process smoother but would like to hear from someone with experience.

@moish did you end up pursing this?

Bump in case anyone has any experiences? Also looking for someone in Hungary with experience doing (Jewish) genealogical research. There are many middlemen out there who peddle such services but my presumption is that they outsource the work to Hungarians that charge much less.
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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2024, 10:44:07 AM »
Why would anyone want Hungarian citizenship? I'm pretty sure I can get but it never even crossed my mind to try, because I can't think of much benefit.

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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2024, 10:47:32 AM »
Why would anyone want Hungarian citizenship? I'm pretty sure I can get but it never even crossed my mind to try, because I can't think of much benefit.
It's an EU member state, so you can live, work, and travel freely anywhere in the EU.

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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2024, 10:50:14 AM »
There is an Hungarian guy that helps you with all the formalities. He was hereast week, co.es down from time to time. Costs around $1500 and he does everything. You could bargain down.

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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2024, 10:58:18 AM »
There is an Hungarian guy that helps you with all the formalities. He was hereast week, co.es down from time to time. Costs around $1500 and he does everything. You could bargain down.

All in, including translations? That's a good price. I paid a guy in Yerushalayim 10,000 NIS, and it took about a year, but got it done (included finding old paperwork etc.)

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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2024, 11:20:34 AM »
Why would anyone want Hungarian citizenship? I'm pretty sure I can get but it never even crossed my mind to try, because I can't think of much benefit.

The answer is:

It's an EU member state, so you can live, work, and travel freely anywhere in the EU.

This. And depending on the circumstances it could be very straightforward compared to other EU states.
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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2024, 11:22:21 AM »
There is an Hungarian guy that helps you with all the formalities. He was hereast week, co.es down from time to time. Costs around $1500 and he does everything. You could bargain down.

Here means the US? I don't need to meet the person, I just need research/paperwork, and possibly translation or assistance with applying if it isn't prohibitively expensive.

Do you have a name and/or contact info pretty please?
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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2024, 11:23:44 AM »
All in, including translations? That's a good price. I paid a guy in Yerushalayim 10,000 NIS, and it took about a year, but got it done (included finding old paperwork etc.)

The $3k people are a dime a dozen and you can choose someone with a good reputation. I'm looking for something cheaper even if it means I need to do some of the work myself.
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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2024, 11:25:33 AM »
Are there tax or army draft ramifications?

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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2024, 11:50:40 AM »
Are there tax or army draft ramifications?
The US is pretty much the only country that makes you pay taxes for earnings earned in a different country when you are a resident of a different country.

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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2024, 12:36:27 PM »
The US is pretty much the only country that makes you pay taxes for earnings earned in a different country when you are a resident of a different country.
And the only country that gives you a tax refund for living in a foreign country
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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2024, 12:40:22 PM »
And the only country that gives you a tax refund for living in a foreign country

It's not like they're giving you anything here, they're just requiring you to file and possibly giving you a way to avoid double taxation.
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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2024, 12:42:42 PM »
It's not like they're giving you anything here, they're just requiring you to file and possibly giving you a way to avoid double taxation.
Refundable child tax credit
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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2024, 12:46:53 PM »
The answer is:

This. And depending on the circumstances it could be very straightforward compared to other EU states.
It seems very straightforward and no cost to apply besides the costs of obtaining and translating documents. Which by the way, even $1,500 is way overkill. Just do it yourself.

@AsherO  Do you speak a very basic Hungarian, because that is pretty much the only requirement aside from no criminal history and proof of ancestry?

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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2024, 12:52:34 PM »
It seems very straightforward and no cost to apply besides the costs of obtaining and translating documents. Which by the way, even $1,500 is way overkill. Just do it yourself.

@AsherO  Do you speak a very basic Hungarian, because that is pretty much the only requirement aside from no criminal history and proof of ancestry?

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Notably, this Hungarian simplified naturalization (Egyszerűsített honosítás) path is different from the more limited Hungarian citizenship by declaration which does not require Hungarian language proficiency
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Which one is being discussed here ?
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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2024, 12:54:59 PM »
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Notably, this Hungarian simplified naturalization (Egyszerűsített honosítás) path is different from the more limited Hungarian citizenship by declaration which does not require Hungarian language proficiency
"

Which one is being discussed here ?
Where do you see that? 3rd party website?

The Hungarian government website is explicit that you do need passable Hungarian.

ETA: I read too quickly. https://washington.mfa.gov.hu/eng/page/about-hungarian-citizenship

B. Says you don't need. C. Is where you do.

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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2024, 01:03:24 PM »
Where do you see that? 3rd party website?

The Hungarian government website is explicit that you do need passable Hungarian.

ETA: I read too quickly. https://washington.mfa.gov.hu/eng/page/about-hungarian-citizenship

B. Says you don't need. C. Is where you do.
I understand that there are two paths of citizenship.
1) citizenship by descent
2) citizenship by declaration
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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2024, 01:08:08 PM »
It seems very straightforward and no cost to apply besides the costs of obtaining and translating documents. Which by the way, even $1,500 is way overkill. Just do it yourself.

@AsherO  Do you speak a very basic Hungarian, because that is pretty much the only requirement aside from no criminal history and proof of ancestry?

What I need help with is locating documents. In my case I don’t think speaking Hungarian is a requirement.
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Re: Hungarian citizenship by descent
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2024, 01:09:17 PM »
Refundable child tax credit

Fair enough. But it isn’t really relevant to someone with US citizenship getting dual citizenship to live and earn income abroad.
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