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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2017, 10:40:14 PM »
It's useful to know if the filmmaker has an anti-chassidic bias because there are (i assume) claims made in the film which are supported only by testimony, the accuracy of which require the viewer's trust. From that clip it appears she does have such a bias.
don't think there's any doubt that there was anti chassidic bias by the producers but there is also.no doubt that these storylines have and ate happening over and over again  regardless if the specifics of these individual stories are true.
let's look inward and see what we can fix as oppose to attacking outward which helps no one

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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2017, 10:41:31 PM »
Click through to the twitter thread to see one of the 'stars' attempting to back her up.
Ive seen it on fb. And that's why I agree with @elit above. Attacking the people involved in the film comes off as insecure and tone def to "their" pain and suffering- we'll do anything to discredit the message or messenger in order to not face the dark reality "they" brought to light.

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2017, 07:57:41 AM »
don't think there's any doubt that there was anti chassidic bias by the producers but there is also.no doubt that these storylines have and ate happening over and over again  regardless if the specifics of these individual stories are true.
let's look inward and see what we can fix as oppose to attacking outward which helps no one

I watched the film and although it was very sad there was nothing shocking or controversial.  In short, for chasidim who leave the fold there's a very high price to pay - and the community makes sure of that.

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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2017, 08:21:17 AM »
I watched the film and although it was very sad there was nothing shocking or controversial.  In short, for chasidim who leave the fold there's a very high price to pay - and the community makes sure of that.
And that's something to be proud of?
What about their reasons for wanting to leave the fold? Is that not shocking?, or are we so accustomed to hearing how people were abused and no one did anything that it's nit shocking?
you feel comfortable with the movies portrayal of how the chasidish community deals with people who have difficult questions?

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2017, 08:24:58 AM »
And she finished the apology saying she applauds anyone who proudly lives their truth, when her movie makes no attempt to even slightly show Chassidim living their truth

It does attempt to show a few specific human being trying to live their truth. That idea is there.

But yes, this movie is NOT a movie about Chassidim and how they live exactly.
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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2017, 08:31:33 AM »

What about their reasons for wanting to leave the fold? Is that not shocking?, or are we so accustomed to hearing how people were abused and no one did anything that it's nit shocking?


I wonder if MOST people who leave Chassidish communities were abused.
Obviously not all are. I just wonder if most are.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2017, 08:35:15 AM »
It does attempt to show a few specific human being trying to live their truth. That idea is there.

But yes, this movie is NOT a movie about Chassidim and how they live exactly.
To show a few individuals living their truth, they absolutely needed to deride and denigrate tens of thousands of other individuals living their truth.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2017, 08:44:26 AM »
I wonder if MOST people who leave Chassidish communities were abused.
Obviously not all are. I just wonder if most are.
I can tell you this, regardless of if its all or not, its way too many.

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2017, 08:47:15 AM »
I can tell you this, regardless of if its all or not, its way too many.

Of course it is way too many. One would be way too many. How many are there really? I don't think there are nearly as many as those who try to use this issue to bash the community would like you to think.
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2017, 08:48:32 AM »
Of course it is way too many. One would be way too many. How many are there really? I don't think there are nearly as many as those who try to use this issue to bash the community would like you to think.
unfortunately you are very wrong

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2017, 08:50:35 AM »
unfortunately you are very wrong
Do you have any source for real numbers? It seems to me that everyone prefers there not be. Some to downplay the issue and some to blow it up.
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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2017, 08:51:17 AM »
Of course it is way too many. One would be way too many. How many are there really? I don't think there are nearly as many as those who try to use this issue to bash the community would like you to think.
Sorry but you're very wrong.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2017, 08:51:30 AM »
Of course it is way too many. One would be way too many. How many are there really? I don't think there are nearly as many as those who try to use this issue to bash the community would like you to think.
studies show that unhindered molesters typically abuse over 30 childrenand that's in secular society where there much less access to children.  then throw in a society that often protects the abuser and you have an unmitigated crisis

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2017, 08:51:39 AM »
Of course it is way too many. One would be way too many. How many are there really? I don't think there are nearly as many as those who try to use this issue to bash the community would like you to think.

Leaving the Yeshivish community is generally not as hard on those who leave the Chassidish community.  So my question is specifically geared towards Chassidim. And I have to imagine it's a lot of people that are abused. Because leaving must be so hard. And you'd need enough of a "push" to do it and to give up all that you are giving up.
That's why I imagine it's probably many of them. 



I wouldn't necessarily say the same thing for those leaving non Chassidish communities. 
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2017, 08:52:43 AM »
studies show that unhindered molesters typically abuse over 30 childrenand that's in secular society where there much less access to children.  then throw in a society that often protects the abuser and you have an unmitigated crisis
This is purely conjecture.
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