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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2017, 08:31:33 AM »

What about their reasons for wanting to leave the fold? Is that not shocking?, or are we so accustomed to hearing how people were abused and no one did anything that it's nit shocking?


I wonder if MOST people who leave Chassidish communities were abused.
Obviously not all are. I just wonder if most are.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2017, 08:35:15 AM »
It does attempt to show a few specific human being trying to live their truth. That idea is there.

But yes, this movie is NOT a movie about Chassidim and how they live exactly.
To show a few individuals living their truth, they absolutely needed to deride and denigrate tens of thousands of other individuals living their truth.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2017, 08:44:26 AM »
I wonder if MOST people who leave Chassidish communities were abused.
Obviously not all are. I just wonder if most are.
I can tell you this, regardless of if its all or not, its way too many.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2017, 08:47:15 AM »
I can tell you this, regardless of if its all or not, its way too many.

Of course it is way too many. One would be way too many. How many are there really? I don't think there are nearly as many as those who try to use this issue to bash the community would like you to think.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2017, 08:48:32 AM »
Of course it is way too many. One would be way too many. How many are there really? I don't think there are nearly as many as those who try to use this issue to bash the community would like you to think.
unfortunately you are very wrong

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2017, 08:50:35 AM »
unfortunately you are very wrong
Do you have any source for real numbers? It seems to me that everyone prefers there not be. Some to downplay the issue and some to blow it up.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2017, 08:51:17 AM »
Of course it is way too many. One would be way too many. How many are there really? I don't think there are nearly as many as those who try to use this issue to bash the community would like you to think.
Sorry but you're very wrong.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2017, 08:51:30 AM »
Of course it is way too many. One would be way too many. How many are there really? I don't think there are nearly as many as those who try to use this issue to bash the community would like you to think.
studies show that unhindered molesters typically abuse over 30 childrenand that's in secular society where there much less access to children.  then throw in a society that often protects the abuser and you have an unmitigated crisis

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2017, 08:51:39 AM »
Of course it is way too many. One would be way too many. How many are there really? I don't think there are nearly as many as those who try to use this issue to bash the community would like you to think.

Leaving the Yeshivish community is generally not as hard on those who leave the Chassidish community.  So my question is specifically geared towards Chassidim. And I have to imagine it's a lot of people that are abused. Because leaving must be so hard. And you'd need enough of a "push" to do it and to give up all that you are giving up.
That's why I imagine it's probably many of them. 



I wouldn't necessarily say the same thing for those leaving non Chassidish communities. 
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2017, 08:52:43 AM »
studies show that unhindered molesters typically abuse over 30 childrenand that's in secular society where there much less access to children.  then throw in a society that often protects the abuser and you have an unmitigated crisis
This is purely conjecture.
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« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2017, 08:52:56 AM »
To show a few individuals living their truth, they absolutely needed to deride and denigrate tens of thousands of other individuals living their truth.

They are just focusing in on a specific negative behavior (and truth) of many chassidish communities.

They are just showing the truth for plenty of people who try leaving the Chassidish community.    Again, this is not a movie about the Chassidish community. It's about what it's like for many people who try leaving.  Is it pretty? No. Does it show Jews in a good light? Def not.

As a Yid it doesn't feel good having our faults in the spotlight.
And I do personally look as them as faults. I am aware that there are many others out there who feel the people treating those who wish to leave in awful ways are justified. 





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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2017, 08:53:47 AM »
Do you have any source for real numbers? It seems to me that everyone prefers there not be. Some to downplay the issue and some to blow it up.
anyone who is involved with this population will tell you that you are wrong... it's obviously a hard thing to get real data on...

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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2017, 08:53:53 AM »
Sorry but you're very wrong.
Do you have any source for real numbers? It seems to me that everyone prefers there not be. Some to downplay the issue and some to blow it up.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2017, 08:54:48 AM »
anyone who is involved with this population will tell you that you are wrong... it's obviously a hard thing to get real data on...

It also happens to not be the main focus of this specific documentary.

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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2017, 08:54:49 AM »
This is purely conjecture.
which part?

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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2017, 08:54:57 AM »
anyone who is involved with this population will tell you that you are wrong... it's obviously a hard thing to get real data on...

I've spoken to some and I guess they were nobodies.
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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2017, 08:55:46 AM »
which part?
Everything past the first ten words at best.
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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2017, 08:57:40 AM »
I've spoken to some and I guess they were nobodies.
don't know who.you have spoken but I find it impossible that some one who works with the chassidic OTD population told you that there isn't  a significant percentage of abuse. it's absolutely impossible.

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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2017, 09:01:53 AM »
Everything past the first ten words at best.
obviously it wasn't  an empirical fact but its a very logical statement that I have heard from experts in the field and is born out by way too much anecdotal evidence.
anyway what would be the motive of a frum ehlirch people who dedicate their  lives to saving these kids to exaggerate the numbers?. OTOH what motive do community leaders who do not want this issue discussed or addressed have in downplaying it

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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2017, 09:09:39 AM »
don't know who.you have spoken but I find it impossible that some one who works with the chassidic OTD population told you that there isn't  a significant percentage of abuse. it's absolutely impossible.
I am sure there are "signficant numbers" depending on how you define it and never said otherwise. OTOH that may not be anywhere close to the amounts that some would like to make it out to be to advance their agenda. Those who i spoke to also felt that while there is definitely an issue which needs to be resolved, there are many who blow it out of proportion to advance their own agenda and that these people are doing a disservice to the real victims.
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