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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2017, 11:39:03 AM »
FTFY

It has to do with preventing them from getting enacted.
I have no idea what your point is except to stir the pot during this tragedy.
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2017, 11:44:00 AM »
I have no idea what your point is except to stir the pot during this tragedy.

No more so than your mention of the NRA

My point is that there are no politicians on either side with any interest at all in what you would call common sense proposals. That is what prevents them from being passed. They are simply too far apart. The NRA is fearful of gun rights being chipped away until they no longer exist. I can hear where they are coming from. This leads them to oppose any restrictions at all.
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2017, 11:46:48 AM »
No more so than your mention of the NRA
The fact is the NRA is against everything.
The left ranges from banning guns to stricter laws.
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2017, 11:51:18 AM »
The fact is the NRA is against everything.
The left ranges from banning guns to stricter laws.

And the right ranges from zero restrictions to stricter laws. The NRA is the opposite of the complete ban group than of the left. The big issue is that even among those on the left who say they only want stricter laws many are really only looking for that as a first step. That makes it more difficult for any R to join with them.
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2017, 11:53:14 AM »
And the right ranges from zero restrictions to stricter laws. The NRA is the opposite of the complete ban group than of the left. The big issue is that even among those on the left who say they only want stricter laws many are really only looking for that as a first step. That makes it more difficult for any R to join with them.
Who is this complete ban group you keep talking about?
If like you claim the right is for stricter laws then why aren't they speaking up?
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2017, 12:14:38 PM »
with all the quotes. It looks like this has already been litigated on DDF.

But in all seriousness is there a movement from both the donkeys and the elephants to ban automatic weapons only?
Short answer, no.
The NRA will not even entertain common sense approaches.
What are you talking about? Its basically impossible to get an automatic weapon as a civilian
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2017, 12:38:57 PM »
can you backup your claim?

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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2017, 01:31:38 PM »
What are you talking about? Its basically impossible to get an automatic weapon as a civilian
That's odd as I know a few that have them.
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2017, 01:32:29 PM »
That's odd as I know a few that have them.
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2017, 01:35:44 PM »
Bought recently?
No. Has the law changed?
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2017, 01:42:28 PM »
No. Has the law changed?
Yes. About 31 years ago...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/02/las_vegas_shooting_are_machine_guns_and_fully_automatic_rifles_legal.html
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"New, fully automatic weapons—weapons that reload automatically and fire continuously with one trigger pull—have been banned for civilians in the United States since the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986. Their use in crimes is incredibly rare, rarer even than the use of semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15 rifles used in the Sandy Hook and Aurorashootings or the Sig Sauer SIG MCX used in the Orlando shooting. Of the 91 American mass shootings catalogued by Mother Jones that have occurred since 1982, not one has seen the use of a fully automatic machine gun."
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2017, 01:43:23 PM »
Where is the thread for Legal Gun Murder?

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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2017, 01:46:16 PM »
Where is the thread for Legal Gun Murder?
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2017, 02:03:53 PM »
Where is the thread for Legal Gun Murder?
That would be just about every mass murder, wouldn't it?
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2017, 02:08:54 PM »
Yes. About 31 years ago...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/02/las_vegas_shooting_are_machine_guns_and_fully_automatic_rifles_legal.html
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"New, fully automatic weapons—weapons that reload automatically and fire continuously with one trigger pull—have been banned for civilians in the United States since the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986. Their use in crimes is incredibly rare, rarer even than the use of semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15 rifles used in the Sandy Hook and Aurorashootings or the Sig Sauer SIG MCX used in the Orlando shooting. Of the 91 American mass shootings catalogued by Mother Jones that have occurred since 1982, not one has seen the use of a fully automatic machine gun."
Don't quote me on this but didn't this ban the owning of a NEW machine gun. IIRC those manufactured before 1986 can still be owned and sold.
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2017, 02:09:49 PM »
Correct. Though, as the article says, they sell. For upwards of 10 grand each.
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2017, 02:13:01 PM »
Correct. Though, as the article says, they sell. For upwards of 10 grand each.
10k is nothing because they go up in value. So you get an investment and a neat toy.
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Re: Illegal gun murder
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2017, 02:37:34 PM »
Ok that was a good laugh. I thought you were being serious but MM and MOO?  :)
Are you that gullible to be taken in by when they say "common sense restrictions"?

See page 69 here
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/06/06151541/Guns-Report-FOR-WEBSITE-PDF-6-21.pdf

and here
http://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

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