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Do you expect your federal taxes to go up or down?

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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #280 on: December 22, 2017, 02:19:37 PM »
Are you all smoking the same stuff? Are you asking how it affects my taxes?

No, you keep complaining that the middle class and poor didn't get a big enough tax cut.  So my challenge to you, is to give us an example of person who you think didn't get enough of a tax cut. Tell us his income, is he married, in what state, does he itemize currently, his mortgage interest deduction, and his other itemized deduction.

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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #281 on: December 22, 2017, 02:28:39 PM »
No, you keep complaining that the middle class and poor didn't get a big enough tax cut.  So my challenge to you, is to give us an example of person who you think didn't get enough of a tax cut. Tell us his income, is he married, in what state, does he itemize currently, his mortgage interest deduction, and his other itemized deduction.
See that's the problem with the #fakenews. I said over and over the rich/corporations get the biggest benefit!!!
Who gets the biggest benefit? Low/middle class or rich/corporations!!!

NOW Mr BIGMOUTH PUT UP OR SHUT!!!

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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #282 on: December 22, 2017, 02:30:53 PM »
See that's the problem with the #fakenews. I said over and over the rich/corporations get the biggest benefit!!!
Who gets the biggest benefit? Low/middle class or rich/corporations!!!

NOW Mr BIGMOUTH PUT UP OR SHUT!!!

LOSER PAYS FOR SHALLOTTS FOR EVERYONE!!!


Still waiting for you to put up. And you keep trying to kick me out of shallots, and have me pay at the same time.  On a fast day.

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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #283 on: December 22, 2017, 02:37:19 PM »
Still waiting for you to put up. And you keep trying to kick me out of shallots, and have me pay at the same time.  On a fast day.
I will take that as you shutting up and afraid to put up. The rich/corporations get the biggest benefit as I said over and over.

My body just came in so time to get drunk!!! GS to each and everyone of you including henche.  :)
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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #284 on: December 22, 2017, 02:45:16 PM »
See that's the problem with the #fakenews. I said over and over the rich/corporations get the biggest benefit!!!
Who gets the biggest benefit? Low/middle class or rich/corporations!!!

NOW Mr BIGMOUTH PUT UP OR SHUT!!!

LOSER PAYS FOR SHALLOTTS FOR EVERYONE!!!


So we have 4 classes? Low, Middle, Rich, and Corporations?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #285 on: December 22, 2017, 02:49:41 PM »
I will take that as you shutting up and afraid to put up. The rich/corporations get the biggest benefit as I said over and over.

My body just came in so time to get drunk!!! GS to each and everyone of you including henche.  :)
In addition to that you said that it was in the backs of the middle class. That is what everyone jumped on you about and you refused to answer how until yesterday when we saw how it was just the Pelosi taking point lies and baseless assumptions
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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #286 on: December 22, 2017, 03:43:26 PM »
I will take that as you shutting up and afraid to put up. The rich/corporations get the biggest benefit as I said over and over.

My body just came in so time to get drunk!!! GS to each and everyone of you including henche.  :)

I'll take it the same way, with respect to you.  Happy to be done here, next Milts is on you, and we're getting drunk there.

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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #287 on: December 23, 2017, 10:39:47 AM »
So we have 4 classes? Low, Middle, Rich, and Corporations?
No that is an example I used. I never said there are four classes.
In addition to that you said that it was in the backs of the middle class. That is what everyone jumped on you about and you refused to answer how until yesterday when we saw how it was just the Pelosi taking point lies and baseless assumptions
We both have said a lot of things. My main point from the beginning has been this is a greater benefit for the rich/corporations and you even agreed. So know you try and deflect.

You don't agree but give no evidence that I am wrong that the middle class are getting screwed. I showed where 10mm+ had signed up for OB care and how popular it is. Anyone with common sense would understand that. You on the other hand says that proves nothing but no evidence to the contrary. I can link to polls showing 50%+ favorable views for OB care but you would then deflect to something else.

Happy to be done here...
So am I so lets see if you are a man of his word.
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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #288 on: December 23, 2017, 12:27:25 PM »
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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #289 on: December 23, 2017, 06:41:46 PM »
No that is an example I used. I never said there are four classes.We both have said a lot of things. My main point from the beginning has been this is a greater benefit for the rich/corporations and you even agreed. So know you try and deflect.

You don't agree but give no evidence that I am wrong that the middle class are getting screwed. I showed where 10mm+ had signed up for OB care and how popular it is. Anyone with common sense would understand that. You on the other hand says that proves nothing but no evidence to the contrary. I can link to polls showing 50%+ favorable views for OB care but you would then deflect to something else.
So am I so lets see if you are a man of his word.
How i supposed to show you why you are wrong about the middle class getting screwed when the only way you said they are is from your baseless assumptions?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #290 on: December 23, 2017, 07:10:36 PM »
No, you keep complaining that the middle class and poor didn't get a big enough tax cut.  So my challenge to you, is to give us an example of person who you think didn't get enough of a tax cut. Tell us his income, is he married, in what state, does he itemize currently, his mortgage interest deduction, and his other itemized deduction.
I'll take the bait. Typical couple with 2 kids, $80k income. $12k property taxes, $15k mortgage interest. Other deductions, charity etc. Equal to another 5k.

This is the typical middle class struggle with having to pay for health insurance, deductibles, etc. And they benefit the least from this tax plan.

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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #291 on: December 23, 2017, 07:48:37 PM »
I'll take the bait. Typical couple with 2 kids, $80k income. $12k property taxes, $15k mortgage interest. Other deductions, charity etc. Equal to another 5k.

This is the typical middle class struggle with having to pay for health insurance, deductibles, etc. And they benefit the least from this tax plan.
SALT is the big thing here. Yes those living in high tax states benefit the least any not see taxes go up.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #292 on: December 23, 2017, 07:53:15 PM »
SALT is the big thing here. Yes those living in high tax states benefit the least any not see taxes go up.
Bottom line: will taxes for that family, assuming the exact same circumstances, be higher for 2018 than 2017, or lower? If they will be lower, AND the business environment is greatly improved, allowing for growth in the overall economy, and even that family possibly starting their own business, without fear of excessive regulations and taxes, how could anyone call that getting screwed?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #293 on: December 23, 2017, 07:53:40 PM »
Great fact check that debunks both sides stupid claims.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-tax-overhaul-fact-checking-lopsided-political-arguments/

From the lolwut neutral cbs.

Who is fact checking the fact checkers

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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #294 on: December 23, 2017, 07:54:17 PM »
I'll take the bait. Typical couple with 2 kids, $80k income. $12k property taxes, $15k mortgage interest. Other deductions, charity etc. Equal to another 5k.

This is the typical middle class struggle with having to pay for health insurance, deductibles, etc. And they benefit the least from this tax plan.

Good, plug the numbers into the calculator

How many kids and what state?
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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #295 on: December 23, 2017, 07:54:35 PM »
From the lolwut neutral cbs.

Who is fact checking the fact checkers
That is why I call them opinion checkers.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #296 on: December 23, 2017, 08:02:05 PM »
When the Egyptians made themselves slaves to Pharaoh, what was the slavery? A 20% income tax!!! Genesis 47:24 This week's parsha!
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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #297 on: December 23, 2017, 08:30:06 PM »
How i supposed to show you why you are wrong about the middle class getting screwed when the only way you said they are is from your baseless assumptions?
So you should be able to show how the middle class is getting the biggest benefit and not the rich/corporations. But wait you already said the rich/corporations are getting the biggest benefit.  ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #298 on: December 23, 2017, 08:31:35 PM »
That is why I call them opinion checkers.
Anything you don't agree with you just dismiss out of hand with nothing to support your position.
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Re: Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?
« Reply #299 on: December 23, 2017, 08:34:16 PM »
Anything you don't agree with you just dismiss out of hand with nothing to support your position.
The only things I dismissed regarding taxes were your baseless assumptions. The article you linked to seems pretty on target. You still haven't explained how the middle class is getting screwed in any way other than your baseless assumptions.
Feelings don't care about your facts