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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #360 on: December 21, 2017, 08:45:24 PM »
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #361 on: December 21, 2017, 08:48:23 PM »
Deserves? No. Constitutional right? Yes
No one has a constitutional right to a pardon. The executive has a constitutional privilege to issue them.

This is simple reading of the constitution.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #362 on: December 21, 2017, 08:50:19 PM »
No one has a constitutional right to a pardon. The executive has a constitutional privilege to issue them.

This is simple reading of the constitution.
You have a constitutional right to be able to be pardoned by the president should he wish to
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #363 on: December 21, 2017, 08:51:03 PM »
Look up the translation of Teshuva
If I understand correctly that can be accomplished without the legal aspect of a pardon.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #364 on: December 21, 2017, 08:51:53 PM »
You have a constitutional right to be able to be pardoned by the president should he wish to
Yes and I was giving my view.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #365 on: December 21, 2017, 08:52:16 PM »
Yes and I was giving my view.
I agreed just added this
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #366 on: December 21, 2017, 08:53:21 PM »
You have a constitutional right to be able to be pardoned by the president should he wish to
That is a real twisted pretzel.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #367 on: December 21, 2017, 08:56:24 PM »
That is a real twisted pretzel.
Does a law enforcement officer, have the right to enforce the law? No they are our representatives to enforce it for us
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #368 on: December 21, 2017, 09:14:39 PM »
No convicted felon unless it was a miscarriage of justice deserves a pardon. This is not directed at you, this case or any other felon.
And that statement is coming from someone who counts this (I presume) as a part of what he considers the true religion?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #369 on: December 21, 2017, 09:35:39 PM »
And that statement is coming from someone who counts this (I presume) as a part of what he considers the true religion?
That is @aygart s job.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #371 on: December 21, 2017, 09:38:21 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #372 on: December 21, 2017, 09:39:48 PM »
That is @aygart s job.
Did he study Catholicism?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #373 on: December 21, 2017, 09:43:44 PM »
No convicted felon unless it was a miscarriage of justice deserves a pardon. This is not directed at you, this case or any other felon.
So who the heck is it directed at? You cant say "No offense" and then proceed to offend an entire class of people.

Say "I dont believe..." or "IMHO".

Thank goodness what you think doesnt matter. It only matters that the Executive, whether state or federal has that power in my case. The US and NYS constitutions vest that power in the Executive alone and it is discretionary. There is no requirement that it relate to a miscarriage of justice. It is as close to temporal power as our democratically elected executive can get.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #374 on: December 21, 2017, 09:44:15 PM »
What is my job?
To turn everything into a religious discussion.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #375 on: December 21, 2017, 09:46:03 PM »


So who the heck is it directed at? You cant say "No offense" and then proceed to offend an entire class of people.

Say "I dont believe..." or "IMHO".

Thank goodness what you think doesnt matter. It only matters that the Executive, whether state or federal has that power in my case. The US and NYS constitutions vest that power in the Executive alone and it is discretionary. There is no requirement that it relate to a miscarriage of justice. It is as close to temporal power as our democratically elected executive can get.

Miscarriage of Justice is what appeals are for, not presidential pardons
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #376 on: December 21, 2017, 09:47:46 PM »
https://twitter.com/AlizaShane/status/943646720201777153
https://twitter.com/dhammer53/status/943639173847805953
"Horrifying"? She's probably a PETA activist talking about those poor cows. And shonda is probaby on of the only yiddish words that guy knows.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #377 on: December 21, 2017, 09:49:21 PM »

Miscarriage of Justice is what appeals are for, not presidential pardons
Not my words.
Agree 100% except when all else fails there are still clemency, commutation and pardon as a backstop.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #379 on: December 21, 2017, 09:50:46 PM »
Not my words.
Agree 100% except when all else fails there are still clemency, commutation and pardon as a backstop.
Presidential pardons are for "why not" situations
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