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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #930 on: February 05, 2018, 12:11:32 PM »
While the law might not agree, if a 16 or 17 year old wants to lie and deceive their way to employment then the onus is on them.
They're not babies.
Then we get in the argument what about 14 or 15? How about 12 or 13?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #931 on: February 05, 2018, 12:17:29 PM »
I believe in child labor laws. That is the reality of the situation. Not sure what your issue is.
Welcome to modern political discourse. People cant have a nuanced discussion because you framed it as being pro or against child labor laws. Now anyone arguing with you is on the side of being pro child labor! What monsters!
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #932 on: February 05, 2018, 12:19:24 PM »
Welcome to modern political discourse. People cant have a nuanced discussion because you framed it as being pro or against child labor laws. Now anyone arguing with you is on the side of being pro child labor! What monsters!

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #933 on: February 05, 2018, 12:22:23 PM »
Welcome to modern political discourse. People cant have a nuanced discussion because you framed it as being pro or against child labor laws. Now anyone arguing with you is on the side of being pro child labor! What monsters!
Not at all. This all started because I correct a member that the company pleaded guilty to child labor. It snowballed from there.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #934 on: February 05, 2018, 12:25:34 PM »
Then we get in the argument what about 14 or 15? How about 12 or 13?

I am with you on this one. The issue is that if we also prevent the employers from being able to enforce the age restrictions then the employers cannot be held culpable. We therefore need the regulations preventing their enforcement to be repealed.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #935 on: February 05, 2018, 01:59:49 PM »
Not at all. This all started because I correct a member that the company pleaded guilty to child labor. It snowballed from there.
I wonder if the snowballing you mention had anything to do your refusal to acknowledge that the guilty plea came from the new owners and your seeming insistence that having had underage workers was necessarily an evil act committed by SMR regardless of his being found not guilty on the matter and regardless of the inability of the company to do anything if someone comes with ID showing that they're old enough.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #936 on: February 05, 2018, 02:25:09 PM »
I am with you on this one. The issue is that if we also prevent the employers from being able to enforce the age restrictions then the employers cannot be held culpable. We therefore need the regulations preventing their enforcement to be repealed.
the government plays both sides you cant hire them but you can either ask them for proof that the paperwork is real. basically ur sscrewed the question just is how bad!
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #937 on: February 05, 2018, 02:50:43 PM »
I wonder if the snowballing you mention had anything to do your refusal to acknowledge that the guilty plea came from the new owners and your seeming insistence that having had underage workers was necessarily an evil act committed by SMR regardless of his being found not guilty on the matter and regardless of the inability of the company to do anything if someone comes with ID showing that they're old enough.
Show me one post where I said the guilty plea wasn't from the new owners. What I didn't know is if the other guilty plea was from a new HRM. All indications point this was not a new HRM. The only reason I brought this up was to show child labor was used. I said it before and I will say it again. When it comes to child labor I cut no one any slack. You don't agree and that is fine.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #938 on: February 05, 2018, 03:03:49 PM »
I said it before and I will say it again. When it comes to child labor I cut no one any slack. You don't agree and that is fine.
and your seeming insistence that having had underage workers was necessarily an evil act committed by SMR regardless of his being found not guilty on the matter and regardless of the inability of the company to do anything if someone comes with ID showing that they're old enough.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #939 on: April 11, 2018, 07:00:46 PM »
Did we ever get an answer to why the Rubashkin's refer to prison as "a place called prison"?
I'll tell you later

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #940 on: April 11, 2018, 08:29:32 PM »
Did we ever get an answer to why the Rubashkin's refer to prison as "a place called prison"?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #941 on: April 11, 2018, 08:34:53 PM »
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Wow. That's interesting.
I wonder if that was what helped him get through it.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #942 on: April 11, 2018, 08:45:41 PM »
Because he taught that prison is a state of mind, not a state of being.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #943 on: April 11, 2018, 09:15:45 PM »

Moiach shalit al halev.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #944 on: May 16, 2018, 10:51:50 PM »
Did we ever get an answer to why the Rubashkin's refer to prison as "a place called prison"?
he just explained to me that only a body can be on prison, and that's not who he is, he is a neshama, and as long as he didn't consider himself there, he wasnt.
And then he said something about he was actually in place serving HaShem etc.
I'll tell you later