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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #300 on: December 21, 2017, 03:32:03 PM »
Liberals: Everyone illegal should be allowed to stay, and get govt benefits, and bring their family.  But, lock up anyone who employs them.
Independents: Lock up illegals and those that employ them!!!
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #301 on: December 21, 2017, 03:35:36 PM »
Not accurate. The Feds dropped the immigration charges after he was convicted of 86 counts.
#fakenews. He was ACQUITTED of the 86 counts. He was only convicted of the federal bank fraud charges.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #302 on: December 21, 2017, 03:37:43 PM »
#fakenews. He was ACQUITTED of the 86 counts. He was only convicted of the federal bank fraud charges.
Do you really want to do this?

Rubashkin was convicted in November 2009 on 86 charges of financial fraud, including bank fraud, mail and wire fraud and money laundering.
Immigration trial was dismiss without prejudice.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #303 on: December 21, 2017, 03:38:20 PM »
Liberals: Everyone illegal should be allowed to stay, and get govt benefits, and bring their family.  But, lock up anyone who employs them.
Naturally. They need them to be reliant on government. Otherwise they lose the votes.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #304 on: December 21, 2017, 03:40:01 PM »
Liberals: Everyone illegal should be allowed to stay, and get govt benefits, and bring their family.  But, lock up anyone who employs them.

This is 100% accurate.
@shaulyaakov has absolutely no idea how hiring works in the real world.
If the person has valid documents, you have to hire them even if you know in your heart of hearts that they're illegal.
Otherwise you get sued for discrimination. And trust me they all find a way to get valid docs.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #305 on: December 21, 2017, 03:44:06 PM »
The counts he was convicted on were NOT the immigration charges that he was originally charged with. He WAS acquitted on those charges. He was in jail solely bc of the money and bank charges.
He was not acquitted of federal immigration charges. Please get your facts right.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #306 on: December 21, 2017, 03:44:58 PM »
He was exonerated on the immigrant hiring charges

Not accurate. The Feds dropped the immigration charges after he was convicted of 86 counts.

Do you really want to do this?

Rubashkin was convicted in November 2009 on 86 charges of financial fraud, including bank fraud, mail and wire fraud and money laundering.
Immigration trial was dismiss without prejudice.

What exactly are you trying to argue?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #307 on: December 21, 2017, 03:46:25 PM »
What exactly are you trying to argue?
I am not arguing anything. Just getting the facts straight.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #308 on: December 21, 2017, 03:48:39 PM »
This is 100% accurate.
@shaulyaakov has absolutely no idea how hiring works in the real world.
If the person has valid documents, you have to hire them even if you know in your heart of hearts that they're illegal.
Otherwise you get sued for discrimination. And trust me they all find a way to get valid docs.
And there were plenty of instances where underage employees (who had lied about their age) who were fired when proof came to light. Same thing for illegals.

This American Life just did a 2 part series on immigration and poultry plants in Alabama. It is practically impossible for these plants to not hire illegals or underage workers.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #309 on: December 21, 2017, 03:50:19 PM »
He was not acquitted of federal immigration charges. Please get your facts right.
You are right he was acquitted on child labor. But even with the immigration you know that had the government had straws to grasp on he would have been charged with something. The fact that they threw it out and jailed him on something totally separate that only arose through the raid makes it look like the whole thing was just for Linda Reade to save face over a raid that she was involved in orchestrating. 
Regardless 27 years was totally ridiculous. You know hat the whole thing was an egregious miscarriage of justice.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #310 on: December 21, 2017, 03:54:48 PM »
I am not arguing anything. Just getting the facts straight.

They dropped the immigration charges.
Which means either the court system doesn't believe in justice or they didn't believe he was guilty of those charges.
Given their desire to throw the book at him I'd have to assume the latter.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #311 on: December 21, 2017, 03:58:04 PM »
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #313 on: December 21, 2017, 03:59:54 PM »
They dropped the immigration charges.
Which means either the court system doesn't believe in justice or they didn't believe he was guilty of those charges.
Given their desire to throw the book at him I'd have to assume the latter.
He was already found guilty of 86 counts. There was no reason to go forward with the immigration charges that would not result in more time. This is done all the time. That does not mean he was exonerated of the charges. Now if they dismissed with prejudice then you would be correct.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #314 on: December 21, 2017, 04:01:18 PM »
@ChaimMoskowitz many members here have spent hours upon hours studying this case.

How many minutes have you looked into it that you feel you're qualified to comment on it?

Study the case, and maybe you'll agree with a bunch of former AGs, and Nancy Pelocy, and Orin Hatch etc.
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