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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #375 on: December 21, 2017, 09:46:03 PM »


So who the heck is it directed at? You cant say "No offense" and then proceed to offend an entire class of people.

Say "I dont believe..." or "IMHO".

Thank goodness what you think doesnt matter. It only matters that the Executive, whether state or federal has that power in my case. The US and NYS constitutions vest that power in the Executive alone and it is discretionary. There is no requirement that it relate to a miscarriage of justice. It is as close to temporal power as our democratically elected executive can get.

Miscarriage of Justice is what appeals are for, not presidential pardons
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #376 on: December 21, 2017, 09:47:46 PM »
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"Horrifying"? She's probably a PETA activist talking about those poor cows. And shonda is probaby on of the only yiddish words that guy knows.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #377 on: December 21, 2017, 09:49:21 PM »

Miscarriage of Justice is what appeals are for, not presidential pardons
Not my words.
Agree 100% except when all else fails there are still clemency, commutation and pardon as a backstop.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #378 on: December 21, 2017, 09:49:51 PM »
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Check out their other tweets, they're angry people.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #379 on: December 21, 2017, 09:50:46 PM »
Not my words.
Agree 100% except when all else fails there are still clemency, commutation and pardon as a backstop.
Presidential pardons are for "why not" situations
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #380 on: December 21, 2017, 09:51:31 PM »
So who the heck is it directed at? You cant say "No offense" and then proceed to offend an entire class of people.

Say "I dont believe..." or "IMHO".

Thank goodness what you think doesnt matter. It only matters that the Executive, whether state or federal has that power in my case. The US and NYS constitutions vest that power in the Executive alone and it is discretionary. There is no requirement that it relate to a miscarriage of justice. It is as close to temporal power as our democratically elected executive can get.
I guess you missed this?
Yes and I was giving my view.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #381 on: December 21, 2017, 09:53:49 PM »
I guess you missed this?
So who the heck is it directed at? You cant say "No offense" and then proceed to offend an entire class of people.
I'm sorry will suffice.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #382 on: December 21, 2017, 09:56:31 PM »
And shonda is probaby on of the only yiddish words that guy knows.
Who doesn’t know “Mazel Touwf” ? :)

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #383 on: December 21, 2017, 10:01:30 PM »
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Keep that stuff where it belongs! PLEASE, PLEASE!!!

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #384 on: December 21, 2017, 10:06:12 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #385 on: December 21, 2017, 10:13:54 PM »
And that statement is coming from someone who counts this (I presume) as a part of what he considers the true religion?
Last time I checked Absolution does not come from a government official.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #386 on: December 21, 2017, 10:33:16 PM »
https://forward.com/opinion/national/390625/my-fellow-orthodox-jews-sholom-rubashkin-is-no-hero/

What this article and others are missing is that the reason SMR was given such a heroes welcome was because of the way he has acted since his incarceration. He has shown so many people what true Bitachon is. For all of his faults (and i agree that here and now is not the time to discuss them), he can serve as a role-model of what it means to trust that everything Hashem does is, and will be openly, good.

I've also noticed that the more "liberal" and tolerant people are on who they consider frum the more machmir they are in "dina D'malchusa." Its sad that the opposite is also true, the more "frum" people are the more likely they are to excuse illegal actions.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #387 on: December 21, 2017, 10:45:30 PM »
https://forward.com/opinion/national/390625/my-fellow-orthodox-jews-sholom-rubashkin-is-no-hero/



Moshe Weisberg • 4 hours ago
A very inappropriate opinion piece, especially at this time. Very out of tune with the emotions and feelings hundreds of thousands of your fellow Orthodox Jews are experincing today. This was truly a Chanukah miracle that corrected a gross injustice - that Obama ignored - and sent a decent man (who may have made some serious mistakes) back to his wife and 10 loving children where he belongs after eight years of incarceration. There is no shame in celebrating this. On the contrary it our reponsibilty as one large Jewish family to join in his celebration for having been rescued from a grossly obscene life sentence - and show him, his wife and children that he was not forgotten. Joining in this family's joy, and celebrating the Al-mighty's demonstration of Matir Asurim (freeing the captives) as one united community is the real Kiddush Hashem here.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #388 on: December 21, 2017, 10:56:52 PM »
The Amshinover Rebbe is predicting the release of Rubashkin. He says it can happen any day now.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #389 on: December 21, 2017, 11:10:36 PM »
The Amshinover Rebbe is predicting the release of Rubashkin. He says it can happen any day now.
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