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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #880 on: February 04, 2018, 11:26:40 PM »
Sorry did not mean to ignore your post. You come up with valid points. I am glad you posted for everyone to see that there were children working at this plant and according to you at all these plants. The thing is I don't care when it comes to children. That is not just about this individual. I would say the exact same thing if it was the Pope. It is not my job to come up with a solution and I am not going to try.
No one denied there were underage workers there. It's a strawman that *you* created and beat down. Saying you would feel the same if it was the pope says nothing about agri's actions, it's just empty moral grandstanding on your part which has no bearing on Rubashkin.

Even with the testimony of the minors (which was fraught with contradictions and many issues) he was cleared. Because he did nothing wrong (in that regard). You thinking that you're "all about the kids" without even a semblance of a clue how anyone should solve the problem doesn't make anyone else guilty, it just makes you feel good about yourself.


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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #881 on: February 04, 2018, 11:29:16 PM »
Again you are wrong. My main discussion was with gozalim about there being child labor at the plant.

He was found innocent of these charges as I have said many times. Nice try but keep digging that hole.

When you come out of nowhere to troll me then yes I believe it is your racist tendencies.

In case you haven't notice I am the minority here not you.
My point was how you ignored what @Yehuda57 wrote more than once. Even now you admit you have no solution. They are not allowed to research so therefore they would not know if they were underage.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #882 on: February 04, 2018, 11:29:35 PM »
No one denied there were underage workers there.
This is not true. That was the main discussion gozalim and I were having.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #883 on: February 04, 2018, 11:31:31 PM »
My point was how you ignored what @Yehuda57 wrote more than once. Even now you admit you have no solution. They are not allowed to research so therefore they would not know if they were underage.
Again the main discussion was between gozalim and I. It was about if the plant had child labor not if he knew about it. You butt in the middle then claim you know what we were discussing.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #884 on: February 04, 2018, 11:34:47 PM »
This is not true. That was the main discussion gozalim and I were having.
Then you don't know how to read. Gozalim never made any such claim.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #885 on: February 04, 2018, 11:34:55 PM »
The computer you are typing on was made with child labor in china.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #886 on: February 04, 2018, 11:36:32 PM »
Again the main discussion was between gozalim and I. It was about if the plant had child labor not if he knew about it. You butt in the middle then claim you know what we were discussing.
I thought you would never ignore @whYME ?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #887 on: February 04, 2018, 11:37:01 PM »
The computer you are typing on was made with child labor in china.
Child labor and BDS - you can't use or wear anything.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #888 on: February 04, 2018, 11:38:39 PM »
Then you don't know how to read. Gozalim never made any such claim.
Really?
I don't know if kids worked there.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #889 on: February 04, 2018, 11:40:28 PM »
I thought you would never ignore @whYME ?
I didn't.

Why did you come out of nowhere to troll me?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #890 on: February 04, 2018, 11:41:53 PM »
Really?
oh please. Read the thread again. He says straight out, if your point is that kids worked there then say that, not that he's guilty. You pulled a half a sentence where he's being coy saying he didn't work in the plant and see underage workers with his own eyes. Don't be ridiculous. The whole argument is about the guilty plea.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #891 on: February 04, 2018, 11:42:47 PM »
Really?
Just for the record lets put the full quote since someone claimed the discussion was not about knowledge.

The owner certainly plead on things that he was not party to. I'm guessing the HRM was the same story.I wasn't there,
I don't know if kids worked there.
I certainly don't know if the old management knew of their age. and the discussion of whether not hiring those who seem to be kids without proof of their youth will get you arrested for age discrimination I certainly don't know.
I just fail to see what a plea by an unrelated party, (which I presume to be a legal formality because I don't know what else to make of it), what it contributes to our knowledge of facts...
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #892 on: February 04, 2018, 11:44:38 PM »
oh please. Read the thread again. He says straight out, if your point is that kids worked there then say that, not that he's guilty. You pulled a half a sentence where he's being coy saying he didn't work in the plant and see underage workers with his own eyes. Don't be ridiculous. The whole argument is about the guilty plea.
Now you get caught and pull a aygart. He never pleaded guilty to and state charges that we are talking about.
Please show one post were I said he was guilty of any state charges? PUOSU!!!
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #893 on: February 04, 2018, 11:46:05 PM »
Just for the record lets put the full quote since someone claimed the discussion was not about knowledge.
Show me post where I said he had knowledge. PUOSU!!!

Also you keep avoiding the question:
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #894 on: February 04, 2018, 11:48:44 PM »
Show me post where I said he had knowledge. PUOSU!!!

Also you keep avoiding the question:
Another straw man. This was my first post
You did not prove knowledge of that.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #895 on: February 04, 2018, 11:49:56 PM »
Another straw man. This was my first post
What are you afraid of?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #896 on: February 05, 2018, 12:41:47 AM »
Sorry for the interruption. @ChaimMoskowitz and @aygart it's times like these that I can't tell if you guys are really fighting or play fighting. Or maybe this is just plain talking :) Carry on...

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #897 on: February 05, 2018, 12:45:23 AM »
@ChaimMoskowitz I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.
Once the children's testimony was brought in, I didn't argue that, I told you to stick to that.

I'm was trying to see what the fake guilty plea added to that

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #898 on: February 05, 2018, 12:56:16 AM »
@ChaimMoskowitz I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.
Once the children's testimony was brought in, I didn't argue that, I told you to stick to that.

I'm was trying to see what the fake guilty plea added to that
NP a lot of these thing are misunderstandings. I took it as you were disputing there was child labor. The guilty pleas where brought in to show there was child labor. Then the children's testimony to further that point. At no point did I say SMR was guilty of knowingly hiring child labor. If you thought I meant that then I am sorry for not making that clear.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #899 on: February 05, 2018, 12:57:30 AM »
Sorry for the interruption. @ChaimMoskowitz and @aygart it's times like these that I can't tell if you guys are really fighting or play fighting. Or maybe this is just plain talking :) Carry on...
It is not important for you to know. It is important for us to know.  :)
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