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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #900 on: February 05, 2018, 01:16:37 AM »
Now you get caught and pull a aygart. He never pleaded guilty to and state charges that we are talking about.
Please show one post were I said he was guilty of any state charges? PUOSU!!!
I pulled an Agart? But I didn't mention halacha once!

You can't invent a claim, put it in my mouth and then ask me to PUOSU. That makes no sense.

To recap, because you seem to be having trouble following this conversation:

Zh revived this thread mentioning state charges, for which Rubashkin was acquitted.

You say, "Hey, did you guys know there were kids there? There was testimony and everything"

Everyone, "Yes, but he was acquitted because they proved he had no knowledge."

You, "But there was a plea bargain. That proves there were kids. And the pope."

Gozalim, "The plea proves nothing"

You, "There were kids. The pope."

Gozalim, "So say that. Why mention the plea?" (this implies he agrees there were underage workers.)

"Because it proves there were kids."

"No it doesn't. It doesn't prove a thing. New owners don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. I wasn't there. Rubashkin was acquitted, the plea was for legal reasons."

"But the pope"

Me, "No one denies underage workers were there."

You take half a line completelly out of context, "Gotcha! Plus I never said Rubashkin had knowledge! PUOSU!"

Your point in this thread, as it is on many other threads, is to play a sort of objective outsider. We think there was a gross injustice, and you say, "well, he was really guilty of other stuff, he deserved much more than you guys think."

Often you are correct. We might see antisemitism where there is none. We might feel victimized when we are not. It's good to have someone with a different perspective who can enlighten us and correct wrong-headed thinking.

But in this thread (and the MLB thread it ) you are simply wrong. There was a massive prosecutorial and judicial break down. You don't like Rubashkin as a person? That's your prerogative. But please spare us the sanctimony.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #901 on: February 05, 2018, 01:18:31 AM »
I pulled an Agart? But I didn't mention halacha once!

You can't invent a claim, put it in my mouth and then ask me to PUOSU. That makes no sense.

To recap, because you seem to be having trouble following this conversation:

Zh revived this thread mentioning state charges, for which Rubashkin was acquitted.

You say, "Hey, did you guys know there were kids there? There was testimony and everything"

Everyone, "Yes, but he was acquitted because they proved he had no knowledge."

You, "But there was a plea bargain. That proves there were kids. And the pope."

Gozalim, "The plea proves nothing"

You, "There were kids. The pope."

Gozalim, "So say that. Why mention the plea?" (this implies he agrees there were underage workers.)

"Because it proves there were kids."

"No it doesn't. It doesn't prove a thing. New owners don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. I wasn't there. Rubashkin was acquitted, the plea was for legal reasons."

"But the pope"

Me, "No one denies underage workers were there."

You take half a line completelly out of context, "Gotcha! Plus I never said Rubashkin had knowledge! PUOSU!"

Your point in this thread, as it is on many other threads, is to play a sort of objective outsider. We think there was a gross injustice, and you say, "well, he was really guilty of other stuff, he deserved much more than you guys think."

Often you are correct. We might see antisemitism where there is none. We might feel victimized when we are not. It's good to have someone with a different perspective who can enlighten us and correct wrong-headed thinking.

But in this thread (and the MLB thread it ) you are simply wrong. There was a massive prosecutorial and judicial break down. You don't like Rubashkin as a person? That's your prerogative. But please spare us the sanctimony.

Good night and good luck.
ETA, damn tapatalk. I see you figured out all out without my whole recap.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #902 on: February 05, 2018, 01:26:57 AM »
ETA, damn tapatalk. I see you figured out all out without my whole recap.
Thanks for view of what happened. Sorted of a distorted view but an interesting read. Here was what started it all up again. Another member not knowing basic facts of the case.
I am not up on the case as most here are. Didn't the company plead guilty to using child labor?
No.

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #903 on: February 05, 2018, 01:29:23 AM »
What the heck is your new avatar? Some sort of bong?

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #904 on: February 05, 2018, 01:31:20 AM »
What the heck is your new avatar? Some sort of bong?
Bong? LOL
I need a new one since it is not working, unity candle.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #905 on: February 05, 2018, 02:38:33 AM »
Sorry did not mean to ignore your post. You come up with valid points. I am glad you posted for everyone to see that there were children working at this plant and according to you at all these plants. The thing is I don't care when it comes to children. That is not just about this individual. I would say the exact same thing if it was the Pope. It is not my job to come up with a solution and I am not going to try.

You, my dear sir, seem to be living in some kind of "progressive" lala land!

Any underage worker was not abused or forced to work there (or in many of the other places that employ underage workers).

Certain concepts are not absolute, and depend on circumstances, as well as social norms.

Democracy isn't right for everyone, nor are child labor laws necessarily right for all.

Trying to impose your set of values on everyone else, is nothing short of utmost arrogance!
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #906 on: February 05, 2018, 08:14:55 AM »
It is not important for you to know. It is important for us to know.  :)
:)

« Last Edit: February 05, 2018, 08:21:39 AM by aygart »
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #907 on: February 05, 2018, 08:17:22 AM »
Now you get caught and pull a aygart. He never pleaded guilty to and state charges that we are talking about.
Please show one post were I said he was guilty of any state charges? PUOSU!!!
Wow. That was a real compliment. I'm flattered.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #908 on: February 05, 2018, 08:46:36 AM »
Wow. That was a real compliment. I'm flattered.
Then why don't you answer this question?
Why did you come out of nowhere to troll me?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #909 on: February 05, 2018, 08:52:17 AM »
Then why don't you answer this question?
Sure. Look at my first comment here and look at your irrelevant response. I was not trolling at all you were bullying me.
You did not prove knowledge of that.
Wrong thread. Get back to the memo. 
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #910 on: February 05, 2018, 08:57:07 AM »
You, my dear sir, seem to be living in some kind of "progressive" lala land!
If believing child labor should not be used is "progressive" then I am proud of it.
Any underage worker was not abused or forced to work there (or in many of the other places that employ underage workers).
That makes me feel warm and cozy inside knowing that never happens.  ::)
Democracy isn't right for everyone, nor are child labor laws necessarily right for all.
You don't like our laws? I am sure you can find the door.
Trying to impose your set of values on everyone else, is nothing short of utmost arrogance!
If standing up for the rights of children is imposing my values on everyone else then I do it proudly.

I feel like you are lecturing me. What's the next lecture going to be on, women? I am sure you are an expert on how they should be treated.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2018, 09:02:49 AM by ChaimMoskowitz »
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #911 on: February 05, 2018, 08:59:37 AM »
Sure. Look at my first comment here and look at your irrelevant response. I was not trolling at all you were bullying me.
You were not even in the conversation. So I will ask again:
Why did you come out of nowhere to troll me?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #912 on: February 05, 2018, 09:10:50 AM »
You were not even in the conversation. So I will ask again:
No not stop that anyone else who joins a conversation after there are twenty posts. No reason to be a bully.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #913 on: February 05, 2018, 09:13:00 AM »
No not stop that anyone else who joins a conversation after there are twenty posts. No reason to be a bully.
Why did you come out of nowhere to troll me?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #914 on: February 05, 2018, 09:13:32 AM »
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