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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #915 on: February 05, 2018, 09:15:12 AM »
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #917 on: February 05, 2018, 09:18:21 AM »
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #918 on: February 05, 2018, 09:19:04 AM »
Anytime you ask me any question that is the answer you are going to get.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #919 on: February 05, 2018, 09:47:06 AM »
The owner certainly plead on things that he was not party to. I'm guessing the HRM was the same story.I wasn't there, I don't know if kids worked there.
I certainly don't know if the old management knew of their age. and the discussion of whether not hiring those who seem to be kids without proof of their youth will get you arrested for age discrimination I certainly don't know.
I just fail to see what a plea by an unrelated party, (which I presume to be a legal formality because I don't know what else to make of it), what it contributes to our knowledge of facts...
I was there. There was nobody that i saw that looked like a kid. were there 17 year olds that had fake ID cause they wanted a job? Maybe. But there were definitely no school kids running around there. I would give the pope a pass on this. Compounding the issue, was that most of the work force were foreign born, not your typical american. As such, it is more difficult (for me)to properly assess their ages.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #920 on: February 05, 2018, 09:49:44 AM »
^^^^
This was intended as a PM to CM, but I sent it to the wrong guy. So I'm posting it here.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #921 on: February 05, 2018, 09:54:04 AM »
^^^^
This was intended as a PM to CM, but I sent it to the wrong guy. So I'm posting it here.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #922 on: February 05, 2018, 11:37:17 AM »
I was there. There was nobody that i saw that looked like a kid. were there 17 year olds that had fake ID cause they wanted a job? Maybe. But there were definitely no school kids running around there. I would give the pope a pass on this. Compounding the issue, was that most of the work force were foreign born, not your typical american. As such, it is more difficult (for me)to properly assess their ages.


Mais non!

If believing child labor should not be used is "progressive" then I am proud of it.That makes me feel warm and cozy inside knowing that never happens.  ::)

You don't like our laws? I am sure you can find the door.

If standing up for the rights of children is imposing my values on everyone else then I do it proudly.

I feel like you are lecturing me. What's the next lecture going to be on, women? I am sure you are an expert on how they should be treated.

So regardless of desperate these 17 year olds are desperate and willing to work, to the extent that they will obtain false documentation so that people like CM can't stop them from doing what they (and many other reasonable people) believe might be best for them, CM will proudly impose his opinions and values.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #923 on: February 05, 2018, 11:47:14 AM »
I was there. There was nobody that i saw that looked like a kid. were there 17 year olds that had fake ID cause they wanted a job? Maybe. But there were definitely no school kids running around there. I would give the pope a pass on this. Compounding the issue, was that most of the work force were foreign born, not your typical american. As such, it is more difficult (for me)to properly assess their ages.

I thought 16 was the minimum age to work?

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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #924 on: February 05, 2018, 11:49:48 AM »
So regardless of desperate these 17 year olds are desperate and willing to work, to the extent that they will obtain false documentation so that people like CM can't stop them from doing what they (and many other reasonable people) believe might be best for them, CM will proudly impose his opinions and values.
So now your claim is they were all 17 year olds? Do you care at all about facts?
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #925 on: February 05, 2018, 11:57:21 AM »
So now your claim is they were all 17 year olds? Do you care at all about facts?
I did not claim they were all 17 year olds.

But go ahead and stick to the details and facts, while ignoring the reality of the situation.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #926 on: February 05, 2018, 11:58:53 AM »
I thought 16 was the minimum age to work?
A slaughterhouse might be different for good reason.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #927 on: February 05, 2018, 12:00:44 PM »
I did not claim they were all 17 year olds.

But go ahead and stick to the details and facts, while ignoring the reality of the situation.
I believe in child labor laws. That is the reality of the situation. Not sure what your issue is.
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #928 on: February 05, 2018, 12:05:38 PM »
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”
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Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
« Reply #929 on: February 05, 2018, 12:05:51 PM »
I believe in child labor laws. That is the reality of the situation. Not sure what your issue is.

While the law might not agree, if a 16 or 17 year old wants to lie and deceive their way to employment then the onus is on them.
They're not babies.