Rubashkin freed from prison.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

While the law might not agree, if a 16 or 17 year old wants to lie and deceive their way to employment then the onus is on them.
They're not babies.

Then we get in the argument what about 14 or 15? How about 12 or 13?

[Yehuda57]

I believe in child labor laws. That is the reality of the situation. Not sure what your issue is.

Welcome to modern political discourse. People cant have a nuanced discussion because you framed it as being pro or against child labor laws. Now anyone arguing with you is on the side of being pro child labor! What monsters!

[ExGingi]

Welcome to modern political discourse. People cant have a nuanced discussion because you framed it as being pro or against child labor laws. Now anyone arguing with you is on the side of being pro child labor! What monsters!

Thank you for diligently keeping to your job, as clearly enumerated in your signature line.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Welcome to modern political discourse. People cant have a nuanced discussion because you framed it as being pro or against child labor laws. Now anyone arguing with you is on the side of being pro child labor! What monsters!

Not at all. This all started because I correct a member that the company pleaded guilty to child labor. It snowballed from there.

[aygart]

Then we get in the argument what about 14 or 15? How about 12 or 13?

I am with you on this one. The issue is that if we also prevent the employers from being able to enforce the age restrictions then the employers cannot be held culpable. We therefore need the regulations preventing their enforcement to be repealed.

[whYME]

Not at all. This all started because I correct a member that the company pleaded guilty to child labor. It snowballed from there.

I wonder if the snowballing you mention had anything to do your refusal to acknowledge that the guilty plea came from the new owners and your seeming insistence that having had underage workers was necessarily an evil act committed by SMR regardless of his being found not guilty on the matter and regardless of the inability of the company to do anything if someone comes with ID showing that they're old enough.

[gingyguy]

I am with you on this one. The issue is that if we also prevent the employers from being able to enforce the age restrictions then the employers cannot be held culpable. We therefore need the regulations preventing their enforcement to be repealed.

the government plays both sides you cant hire them but you can either ask them for proof that the paperwork is real. basically ur sscrewed the question just is how bad!

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I wonder if the snowballing you mention had anything to do your refusal to acknowledge that the guilty plea came from the new owners and your seeming insistence that having had underage workers was necessarily an evil act committed by SMR regardless of his being found not guilty on the matter and regardless of the inability of the company to do anything if someone comes with ID showing that they're old enough.

Show me one post where I said the guilty plea wasn't from the new owners. What I didn't know is if the other guilty plea was from a new HRM. All indications point this was not a new HRM. The only reason I brought this up was to show child labor was used. I said it before and I will say it again. When it comes to child labor I cut no one any slack. You don't agree and that is fine.

[whYME]

I said it before and I will say it again. When it comes to child labor I cut no one any slack. You don't agree and that is fine.

and your seeming insistence that having had underage workers was necessarily an evil act committed by SMR regardless of his being found not guilty on the matter and regardless of the inability of the company to do anything if someone comes with ID showing that they're old enough.

[davidrotts63]

Did we ever get an answer to why the Rubashkin's refer to prison as "a place called prison"?

[ExGingi]

Did we ever get an answer to why the Rubashkin's refer to prison as "a place called prison"?

Possibly related to  אבות ו, ב.

[davidrotts63]

Possibly related to  אבות ו, ב.

Wow. That's interesting.
I wonder if that was what helped him get through it.

[mordechain]

Because he taught that prison is a state of mind, not a state of being.

[yesitsme]

Moiach shalit al halev.

[davidrotts63]

Did we ever get an answer to why the Rubashkin's refer to prison as "a place called prison"?

he just explained to me that only a body can be on prison, and that's not who he is, he is a neshama, and as long as he didn't consider himself there, he wasnt.
And then he said something about he was actually in place serving HaShem etc.