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Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« on: December 20, 2017, 06:00:23 PM »
Anyone else have an issue with them singingדידן נצח ?
« Last Edit: December 20, 2017, 10:56:26 PM by Dan »
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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2017, 06:07:03 PM »
Singing what?
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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2017, 09:20:21 PM »
Anyone else have an issue with them singingדידן נצח ?
Are you familiar with the source of the expression?
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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2017, 09:24:25 PM »
Are you familiar with the source of the expression?
Isn't it something about Chabad winning the court case over the seforim of the previous rebbe?

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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2017, 09:29:38 PM »

Isn't it something about Chabad winning the court case over the seforim of the previous rebbe?
It’s actually a ויקרא רבה

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מעשה בקרתני באבא יוסי איש ציתור שהיה יושב ושונה על פתח מעין. אתגלי עלוי ההוא רוחא דהוה שרי תמן. א"ל אתון ידעין כמה שנין אנא שרי הכא? ואתין ונפקין אתון ונשיכון ברמשא ובטיהרא ולית אתון מתנזקין. וכדון תהון ידעין דהא רוח ביש בעי מישרא הכא והא מזיק ברייתא. א"ל: ומה נעביד א"ל אזיל ואסהיד בבני מתא ואמור להון מאן דאית ליה מכוש מאן דאית ליה פס מאן דאית ליה מגרופי יפקון הכא, למחר עם מצמחיה דיומא ויהון מסתכלין על אפי מיא. וכד אינון חמיין ערבוביא דמיא יהון מקשיין בפריזלא ואמרין דידן נצח ולא יפקון מן הכא עד זמן דיחמון חרדה דדמא על אפי מיא. אזל ואסהיד בבני קרתא ואמר להון מאן דהוה ליה מכוש מאן דהוה ליה פס מאן דהוה ליה מגרופי נפקון למחר לתמן עם מצמחיה דיומא ויהון מסתכלין כלפי מיא. כיון דחמו ערבוביא במיא הוון מקשיין בפרזלא ואמרו דידן נצח דידן נצח. ולא עלון מן תמן עד זמן דחמון כמין חרדא דדמא על אפי מיא (ויקרא רבה כד,ג).
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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2017, 09:31:05 PM »

Isn't it something about Chabad winning the court case over the seforim of the previous rebbe?
Those days were very formative. A week of nonstop dancing just about 31 years ago.
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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2017, 09:49:08 PM »
Those days were very formative. A week of nonstop dancing just about 31 years ago.
Care to link to the details of the court case?

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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2017, 09:53:03 PM »
Care to link to the details of the court case?
Had you been to my Shabbos table this past Friday night you would have heard my first hand experiences, which my guests asked me to share. I actually had 3 random guys that showed up in 770 from Lakewood at my Shabbos table, on top of the rest of the expected crowd.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/650/1463/1663054/

Back in the day seems like this young pisher was the most capable to translate that into Hebrew. Looking back at that translation today, I’m a little embarrassed, especially with my current knowledge of relevant laws. But at the time it was the best available translation. I also spent considerable time in the courtroom a year earlier jotting notes in Hebrew, which were eagerly consumed by the bochurim who didn’t understand English.

Bottom line is that judge Sifton really understood what a Rebbe is.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2017, 10:00:30 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2017, 10:00:04 PM »
Care to link to the details of the court case?
Look for one of these. Or come to #ORDDO and I'll give you one.

« Last Edit: December 20, 2017, 10:45:16 PM by Dan »
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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2017, 10:42:26 PM »
Had you been to my Shabbos table this past Friday night you would have heard my first hand experiences, which my guests asked me to share. I actually had 3 random guys that showed up in 770 from Lakewood at my Shabbos table, on top of the rest of the expected crowd.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/650/1463/1663054/

Back in the day seems like this young pisher was the most capable to translate that into Hebrew. Looking back at that translation today, I’m a little embarrassed, especially with my current knowledge of relevant laws. But at the time it was the best available translation. I also spent considerable time in the courtroom a year earlier jotting notes in Hebrew, which were eagerly consumed by the bochurim who didn’t understand English.

Bottom line is that judge Sifton really understood what a Rebbe is.

Cool story brah.  Never read that before.

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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2017, 10:47:55 PM »
Look for one of these. Or come to #ORDDO and I'll give you one.


link to that booklet.

Didn’t read so can’t comment.
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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2017, 10:48:35 PM »
link to that booklet.

Didn’t read so can’t comment.
Nice.
Read and share your firsthand thoughts please.
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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2017, 10:58:36 PM »
Nice.
Read and share your firsthand thoughts please.
Should probably fork this. Just not sure which post I should fork from.
Guess you decided  ;D

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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2017, 11:03:37 PM »
I didn't read up much, but one thing I don't understand, were the thieves claiming that the seforim belonged to them, and that's why they were stealing?

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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2017, 11:04:25 PM »
I didn't read up much, but one thing I don't understand, were the thieves claiming that the seforim belonged to them, and that's why they were stealing?
Gotta read the story first.
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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2017, 11:07:59 PM »
I didn't read up much, but one thing I don't understand, were the thieves claiming that the seforim belonged to them, and that's why they were stealing?
They were claiming inheritance and the Rebbe said it belonged to Chabad. In a nutshell. "Thieves" is a bit harsh. And Didan Natzach is our side was victorious. It really doesnt apply in today's amazing miracle. No one was fully victorious. Prosecutors got their conviction, but sentence commuted. Rubashkin suffered, but got out early.
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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2017, 11:15:28 PM »
They were claiming inheritance and the Rebbe said it belonged to Chabad. In a nutshell. "Thieves" is a bit harsh. And Didan Natzach is our side was victorious. It really doesnt apply in today's amazing miracle. No one was fully victorious. Prosecutors got their conviction, but sentence commuted. Rubashkin suffered, but got out early.
Used that term based on the link from @ExGingi with the book previously posted by @Dan .

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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2017, 11:16:43 PM »
Used that term based on the link from @ExGingi with the book previously posted by @Dan .
That needs some objectivity. He's an insider and Nogeiah B'Davar.
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