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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2017, 11:52:36 AM »
I read the story as being present tense. "We're winning."  The guy wanted the villagers to cheer him on.

My rosh yeshiva used to note that from the story, it seems they couldn't actually see what was going on (he says when you see the water thrashing, you'll know we're fighting).  So they didn't know which side was winning, and he knew they didn't know, but he still got chizuk from hearing them cheer.
Wouldn't really refer to it as "the guy".

But FWIW I think a more accurate translation would be "ours is winning" (or possibly a cheer as in "win! - ours".)
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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2017, 11:52:40 AM »
I always do lol

Please Mr. Trump, this is too much didan natzach already. We can't take so much natzach.

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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2017, 11:53:26 AM »
I always do lol
Do you have an issue with the tune or with the singers?
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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2017, 11:54:30 AM »
Please Mr. Trump, this is too much didan natzach already. We can't take so much natzach.
lol
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2017, 12:38:33 PM »
Wouldn't really refer to it as "the guy".

But FWIW I think a more accurate translation would be "ours is winning" (or possibly a cheer as in "win! - ours".)
There might be a Youtube video of this, but in any event see https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9aMNh1shw_4a1U3Y0poOXpWV1E story starts a little earlier, but listen at around 1:10:47. Definitely doesn't sound as a לשון עבר.
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Re: Re: Prison
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2017, 01:12:55 PM »
Nice.
Read and share your firsthand thoughts please.
Should probably fork this. Just not sure which post I should fork from.
Without reading, I am sure their facts are well documented and researched, as it is all currently in the public domain. All I can talk is from memory (which is going back 31 years and beyond), as well as my personal subjective views based on what I learned and experienced.

I can share my personal experience and learning about the facts. Just to put things into context, as a צוגעקומענער who's Yiddish was nowhere as fluent as it is today, my first encounter with this story (as was many, if not most others) was during this sicha (3:30:27 is where the story of the seforim starts, though the entire sicha which starts around 3:16:40 is related to the issues at stake).

When the farbrengen was over, I was totally clueless about what was going on. At that point I have never before even heard of B. Gourary, nor did I know what he looked like. It didn't add to clarity that the Rebbe was purposely semi-vague during the sicha, and put two events together as if they were related, talking of 3 people who took seforim, and 2 who returned them - which was a totally different story.
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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2017, 11:17:12 AM »
https://cdn.flipsnack.com/widget/v2/flipsnackwidget.html?hash=ftk9wjkh4&t=1513879746&fullscreen=1

Updated version of Derher pamphlet with an appropriately named title. Will try to read through it.
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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2017, 03:15:32 PM »
https://cdn.flipsnack.com/widget/v2/flipsnackwidget.html?hash=ftk9wjkh4&t=1513879746&fullscreen=1

Updated version of Derher pamphlet with an appropriately named title. Will try to read through it.
Hubachaim aurgument... So very weird and extreme to someone not used to these things...


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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2017, 03:29:53 PM »
Hubachaim aurgument... So very weird and extreme to someone not used to these things...
Indeed. Start getting used  to it.

גאולה might also sound and feel very weird to someone accustomed to גולה.
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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #49 on: December 22, 2017, 03:47:12 PM »
Indeed. Start getting used  to it.

גאולה might also sound and feel very weird to someone accustomed to גולה.
Yes, we are still in golus. Hate to burst the fantasy...

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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2017, 03:50:16 PM »
Yes, we are still in golus. Hate to burst the fantasy...
היינו כחולמים...
golus is fatasy. geula is reality

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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2017, 06:45:01 PM »
I always do lol
In fairness, if you found out Chabad Chassidim learned daf yomi, took showers, or ate pickled herring you'd have a problem with those too. lol

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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2017, 07:40:24 PM »
In fairness, if you found out Chabad Chassidim learned daf yomi, took showers, or ate pickled herring you'd have a problem with those too. lol
For the record: I definitely have a problem with pickled herring. Only the real thing - schmaltz herring!
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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2017, 07:52:23 PM »
היינו כחולמים...
golus is fatasy. geula is reality
Right, and we are post techiyas hameisim for like 60 years already.

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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #54 on: December 24, 2017, 12:51:22 PM »
Right, and we are post techiyas hameisim for like 60 years already.
Wrong. But looking at Geula as a fantasy = unrealistic is basically against the 12th ikar (#ani mamin) and according to the rambam is considered kfira in the entire torah

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Re: Hei Teves - Didan Natzach (Split from Prison Thread)
« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2017, 01:17:22 PM »
Wrong. But looking at Geula as a fantasy = unrealistic is basically against the 12th ikar (#ani mamin) and according to the rambam is considered kfira in the entire torah
Huh? He didn't come YET is all I'm saying.