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Do you think heimishe magazines should show pictures of tzniusdig women?

Sure! Why not?
No way
Only of Jewish women

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #210 on: January 01, 2018, 08:34:42 AM »
Valid point, but why do you think no one cares about the lack of pictures of younger girls? To me thats more indicative of a dangerous and unhealthy extremism than anything else.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #211 on: January 01, 2018, 08:37:01 AM »
Valid point, but why do you think no one cares about the lack of pictures of younger girls? To me thats more indicative of a dangerous and unhealthy extremism than anything else.
when i say no one cares i mean that the main issue isnt with them.
no one is going to be happy if there would be pictures of little girls while still keeping women out.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #212 on: January 01, 2018, 08:42:33 AM »
when i say no one cares i mean that the main issue isnt with them.
no one is going to be happy if there would be pictures of little girls while still keeping women out.
As long as they keep a zero tolerance policy, They'll never be convinced that the policy is for their benifit and/or due to @aygart's reason.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #213 on: January 01, 2018, 08:45:24 AM »
As long as they keep a zero tolerance policy, They'll never be convinced that the policy is for their benifit and/or due to @aygart's reason.
they will never be convinced no matter what you do. they are coming with an agenda and until you conform to their agenda your a person who discriminates against women
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #214 on: January 01, 2018, 08:51:34 AM »
they will never be convinced no matter what you do. they are coming with an agenda and until you conform to their agenda your a person who discriminates against women
I don't think you're correct. There are obviously those that are just looking to tear us down but you can't  just dismiss any valid claim by saying its coming from that agenda. Otherwise you're guilty of what you're accusing them- not debating the merits of the 2 sides of the argument just accusing the other side of having hidden agenda.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #215 on: January 01, 2018, 08:55:45 AM »
i already posted my reason why i dont think its a valid claim and i dont either think that their agenda is hidden
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #216 on: January 01, 2018, 09:43:33 AM »
For those who support the total ban on women anywhere they would probably be happier if somehow one  could make a wedding without the kallah too. There is some perversion of reality at play when you cant allow yourself to see a small girl modeling an outfit which is matching to a boys outfit and instead you would rather a headless mannequin. Because one wishes something were not seen doesnt mean it doesnt exist. It's fantasy, which is just as perverted and distorted as the thing it is supposedly intended to protect us from.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #217 on: January 01, 2018, 09:46:36 AM »
For those who support the total ban on women anywhere they would probably be happier if somehow one  could make a wedding without the kallah too. There is some perversion of reality at play when you cant allow yourself to see a small girl modeling an outfit which is matching to a boys outfit and instead you would rather a headless mannequin. Because one wishes something were not seen doesnt mean it doesnt exist. It's fantasy, which is just as perverted and distorted as the thing it is supposedly intended to protect us from.
Straw man alert.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #218 on: January 01, 2018, 09:48:36 AM »
when i say no one cares i mean that the main issue isnt with them.
no one is going to be happy if there would be pictures of little girls while still keeping women out.
FWIW that is what the Lakewood publications do.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #219 on: January 01, 2018, 09:52:40 AM »
It is definitely the easy way out to avoid having a big advertiser submit an ad which may be suggestive even with all lines kept to and have to deal with explaining to the advertiser why the ad they spent money on making doesn't meet the standards.
Cop out response.
Somehow DD has managed that balance for 13 years.

Never had an advertiser kvetch about our subjective standards and having to redo an ad or landing page, even if we don't have well defined written rules.

In the end if the day this is about what they feel will sell subscriptions.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #220 on: January 01, 2018, 09:54:00 AM »
Your argument just underscores the issue that she and others take with this policy.  Yes, the magazines are free to do as they want, but why is there such an impassioned protest against something that has little to no basis in Judaism. And if @aygart is right that it's just easier to have a zero tolerance policy than figuring  out where to draw the line, why would anybody be offended if the magazines tried being more subtle, and nuanced with a clear policy of which images are acceptable?
The problem is that
Much of tznius is subjective. Anyone who thinks it is a bunch of lines missed the boat.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #221 on: January 01, 2018, 10:03:48 AM »
Cop out response.
Somehow DD has managed that balance for 13 years.

Never had an advertiser kvetch about our subjective standards and having to redo an ad or landing page, even if we don't have well defined written rules.

In the end if the day this is about what they feel will sell subscriptions.
How often have you needed to change the pictures on an ad for women's clothing or shaitels?

It also has to do with your willingness to have a backbone.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #222 on: January 01, 2018, 10:06:40 AM »
How often have you needed to change the pictures on an ad for women's clothing or shaitels?

It also has to do with your willingness to have a backbone.
Happens fairly often.
We've also required landing pages to be changed and/or have a disclaimer.

Saying it's impossible to find a happy medium is a copout, plain and simple.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #223 on: January 01, 2018, 10:08:06 AM »
Happens fairly often.
We've also required landing pages to be changed and/or have a disclaimer.

Saying it's impossible to find a happy medium is a copout, plain and simple.
I didn't say that it is impossible rather that it is the easy way out.

You also need to understand that there is a very big difference between a website and a magazine brought into the house.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #224 on: January 01, 2018, 10:08:23 AM »
The problem is that
Look at what I quoted and read what I wrote again, My point was not disagreeing with such a policy, but if that was the reasoning why would it engender such an outcry if they broke their policy.