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Do you think heimishe magazines should show pictures of tzniusdig women?

Sure! Why not?
No way
Only of Jewish women

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #240 on: January 01, 2018, 11:12:53 AM »
Is there such a thing as women swimwear? If so how do they advertise?
Either on mannequins or by using associative images such as swimming pools. They get a creative designer so it shouldn't look like the ad posted earlier. This is even in publications geared specifically towards women.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #241 on: January 01, 2018, 11:13:28 AM »


For those who support the total ban on women anywhere they would probably be happier if somehow one  could make a wedding without the kallah too. There is some perversion of reality at play when you cant allow yourself to see a small girl modeling an outfit which is matching to a boys outfit and instead you would rather a headless mannequin. Because one wishes something were not seen doesnt mean it doesnt exist. It's fantasy, which is just as perverted and distorted as the thing it is supposedly intended to protect us from.


I think the lack of pictures of even young girls in clothing ads epitomizes that there is something strange here.

I think most ppl don't understand these ppl.  A friend of mine recently asked me if it's true that some chassidishe school in a different country had kindergarten teachers that are women. He didn't believe it.

I once asked a - chusid why they don't have nursery teachers and the response was that a 3 yr boy shouldn't be looking at a women.

The girls picture issues are run by ppl with those beliefs

Cop out response.
Somehow DD has managed that balance for 13 years.

Never had an advertiser kvetch about our subjective standards and having to redo an ad or landing page, even if we don't have well defined written rules.

In the end if the day this is about what they feel will sell subscriptions.

Online is a total different ball game. VIN and many others have pictures and videos of women.


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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #242 on: January 01, 2018, 11:15:21 AM »
There is a distinction between making what’s mutar assur, and building a “fence”.

In this case, privately owned publications have a right to set guidelines as they see fit. They can deny an advertisement if they don’t like the way your nose looks.

Society is being very smug and disingenuous about the way women are being projected. They are hypersexualizing women day in and day out and telling you that if you don’t like it then you are just plain sexist, because you are trying to “suppress” women’s bodies.

It’s NOT normal for a man to immediately have non-tznius thoughts when looking at a woman’s face. However, when women are portrayed to men from a very young age as objects, this is where their mind will race to. Fight me all you want on this, but you KNOW it’s true.

Personally, I think that they SHOULD publish women in their publications in SPITE of society’s downfall. But I don’t blame them for taking a stance.
I think this approach only reinforces the objectifing of women. The message now is that We cant even allow men to get a glimpse of a woman without having improper thoughts.
Extreme opposites are closer related than healthy middle ground.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #243 on: January 01, 2018, 11:29:37 AM »

Nope. But those that are the post passionate about it will stop buying it and will cause financial harm to the publications while most here  suffice  to have this thread to vent ( no pun intended )

I believe this is the main reason it just not going to change.

I have said this in the past, DDF lacks active chassidish contributors/members and therefore is missing their way of thinking. I don't think the Chasidim really changed, kedusha has always been a big part of it. If anything, as the world is having more influence on the average Chusid it is forcing them make rules for the thing that were once understood by every Chusid.

The more the internet will evolve the more these publications will need the closed communities.


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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #244 on: January 01, 2018, 11:34:05 AM »

I have said this in the past, DDF lacks active chassidish contributors/members and therefore is missing their way of thinking.
News to me.
Come to know many at DOs and seminars.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #245 on: January 01, 2018, 11:34:15 AM »


I believe this is the main reason it just not going to change.

I have said this in the past, DDF lacks active chassidish contributors/members and therefore is missing their way of thinking. I don't think the Chasidim really changed, kedusha has always been a big part of it. If anything, as the world is having more influence on the average Chusid it is forcing them make rules for the thing that were once understood by every Chusid.

The more the internet will evolve the more these publications will need the closed communities.

The opposite seems to be happening, the chasidish way of thinking is infiltrating main stream yeshiva communities.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #246 on: January 01, 2018, 11:38:01 AM »
I think this approach only reinforces the objectifing of women. The message now is that We cant even allow men to get a glimpse of a woman without having improper thoughts.
Extreme opposites are closer related than healthy middle ground.

More then making a distinction between smaller and older woman, is the distinction if they are modeling/presenting/trying to sell and random pictures of a woman in a tznisdigu environment say, politicians. and still in chassidish environment that has been a no for as long as I can think.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #247 on: January 01, 2018, 11:39:34 AM »

The opposite seems to be happening, the chasidish way of thinking is infiltrating main stream yeshiva communities.
It's a 2 way street. It's happening both ways.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #248 on: January 01, 2018, 11:42:05 AM »
News to me.
Come to know many at DOs and seminars.

I said active chassidish contributors/members

seminars shows nothing about topics discussed in JS

DOs I wasn't zocha yet. But we are talking about core chasidum, not the ones found at sports events...

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #249 on: January 01, 2018, 11:42:46 AM »
If you've never been to a DO than how do you pretend to know?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #250 on: January 01, 2018, 11:45:27 AM »

The opposite seems to be happening, the chasidish way of thinking is infiltrating main stream yeshiva communities.
It's a 2 way street. It's happening both ways.

It all comes down to money, you need to sell copies.
But talk about mixed events the chasidum did not influence the yeshiva communities. As there is no meeting point.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #251 on: January 01, 2018, 11:46:48 AM »
If you've never been to a DO than how do you pretend to know?

We have gotten some back pictures :P

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #252 on: January 01, 2018, 11:48:22 AM »
They don't want to be in the pictures.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #253 on: January 01, 2018, 11:50:57 AM »


I think most ppl don't understand these ppl.  A friend of mine recently asked me if it's true that some chassidishe school in a different country had kindergarten teachers that are women. He didn't believe it.


i was in a chasidish school ('90s) and i had female teachers until first grade, and until second grade for secular studies. that has changed since they now think that the older generation did wrong and they are way more holy now.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #254 on: January 01, 2018, 11:53:23 AM »
They don't want to be in the pictures.

Maybe one day there will be a DO not around food or sports ill see for myself:)

But are you arguing that the core chassidish way of thinking (wili, KJ, NS, BP, parts of Monsey) is advocated/represented on here to its percentage in the community?