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Do you think heimishe magazines should show pictures of tzniusdig women?

Sure! Why not?
No way
Only of Jewish women

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #285 on: January 01, 2018, 01:45:15 PM »
Impose her demands. You guys make it sound like its such a burden. Oy, these impossible women. Misogyny, much?

The question still remains, where, when and how did this become the norm in orthodox publications? When did little girls become sexualized that frum men cannot be trusted to look at them? When did tznius dressed women become vixens to be avoided at all costs.
It's exactly because there are no hard lines in tznius (i.e., at least in what is considered dos Yehudis) and depends on community norms.
It changes block by block in Brooklyn. What is acceptable in the 30's is unacceptable 3 miles to the west.
So if a magazine wants to sell the maximum amount of copies, it goes to the "highest common denominator".
That simple. It's not the magazine. It's the fact that for thousands of years, we have had different shitos espoused by different communities. It worked fine when communities were segregated. But when everything is homogenized, you either get machlokes, or everyone has to compromise their ideals to satisfy everyone else

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #286 on: January 01, 2018, 01:57:14 PM »
Are the ones who 'yell' the loudest always right?
Let's weigh the cost for each side.
Publication stands up for "women's rights"=loses subscribers, advertisers, risks being banned.
Publication stands up for "higher levels of tznius" = loses maybe a few subscribers (who probably were to "sophisticated" to read anything that the magazine was publishing anyway)
Quotes around words to imply the exaggerating

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #287 on: January 01, 2018, 01:58:49 PM »
Let's weigh the cost for each side.
Publication stands up for "women's rights"=loses subscribers, advertisers, risks being banned.
Publication stands up for "higher levels of tznius" = loses maybe a few subscribers (who probably were to "sophisticated" to read anything that the magazine was publishing anyway)
Quotes around words to imply the exaggerating
So all the 'religion based' decisions comes down to money. Interesting.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #288 on: January 01, 2018, 02:02:03 PM »
Let's weigh the cost for each side.
Publication stands up for "women's rights"=loses subscribers, advertisers, risks being banned.
Publication stands up for "higher levels of tznius" = loses maybe a few subscribers (who probably were to "sophisticated" to read anything that the magazine was publishing anyway)
Quotes around words to imply the exaggerating

That is the whole case, in a nutshell. So why should the magazines lose money? As @Something Fishy once said,


At the end of the day though, "the Prophet exists to sell itself, you silly girl".
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #289 on: January 01, 2018, 02:02:31 PM »
So all the 'religion based' decisions comes down to money. Interesting.

For a publication yes it's a for-profit business.
You can shift the conversation to an email from the Agudah or BMG to prove your point.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #290 on: January 01, 2018, 02:07:38 PM »
For a publication yes it's a for-profit business.
You can shift the conversation to an email from the Agudah or BMG to prove your point.
+1
The original article actually wasn't criticizing the magazines so much as it was criticizing Rabbonim (OU and RCA) for not taking a stand and issuing guidelines.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #291 on: January 01, 2018, 02:09:41 PM »
Bottom line, we gotta figure out a way to make all DDF’hers feel welcome at DO’s. :)
Then make them coed.  >:(
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #292 on: January 01, 2018, 02:10:45 PM »
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #293 on: January 01, 2018, 02:11:38 PM »
In telushkin's book 'Rebbe' I loved the Rebbe's response when asked whether to include pics of girls when the tzivos hashem magazine was first published








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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #294 on: January 01, 2018, 02:13:39 PM »
Are they not?
I thought some weren't. I remember a past member bringing it up and it didn't go very far.
Maybe I will test it out next time.  :)
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #295 on: January 01, 2018, 02:14:16 PM »
I thought some weren't. I remember a past member bringing it up and it didn't go very far.
Maybe I will test it out next time.  :)
I don't recall that.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #296 on: January 01, 2018, 02:16:40 PM »
I don't recall that.
Maybe it was the Muslim forum I am on. With all this talk about women not being able to do things I am getting the two forums mixed up.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #297 on: January 01, 2018, 02:20:33 PM »
Maybe it was the Muslim forum I am on. With all this talk about women not being able to do things I am getting the two forums mixed up.
Easy mistake to make, but not too hard to tell them apart. Only one of them will kidnap and dismember you for practicing the wrong religion.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #298 on: January 01, 2018, 02:26:14 PM »
Poll needs more choices

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #299 on: January 01, 2018, 02:27:14 PM »
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