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Do you think heimishe magazines should show pictures of tzniusdig women?

Sure! Why not?
No way
Only of Jewish women

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #330 on: February 05, 2018, 03:15:29 PM »
This tweet is a rare example of actual quality satire on the frum community.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #331 on: February 05, 2018, 06:57:31 PM »
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/refuting-mishpachas-fake-history-claim/

Well cited, indeed.

May I offer a compromise.  Publish pictures of women in black/white and taken with a 1940s camera?


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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #332 on: February 06, 2018, 09:47:42 AM »
Well cited, indeed.

May I offer a compromise.  Publish pictures of women in black/white and taken with a 1940s camera?


Sounds good to me.
I wonder if the history would look any different when researching Israeli publications
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #333 on: February 06, 2018, 11:17:47 AM »
Well cited, indeed.

May I offer a compromise.  Publish pictures of women in black/white and taken with a 1940s camera?
The question is whether women dressed up to current tznius standards back then.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #334 on: February 06, 2018, 11:24:27 AM »
The question is whether women dressed up to current tznius standards back then.
Check the pictures in the article where some of the women are wearing short sleeves.
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #335 on: February 06, 2018, 11:27:59 AM »
Check the pictures in the article where some of the women are wearing short sleeves.

There's a shell underneath.  Hard to tell because of the grainy pic.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #336 on: February 06, 2018, 11:29:56 AM »
Check the pictures in the article where some of the women are wearing short sleeves.
Oh. I didn't even bother clicking on the article. I was on hiatus from this thread, and just visited it now and saw @henche's suggestion. Being that I've seen some pictures from various era, I commented as I did.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #337 on: February 06, 2018, 12:21:23 PM »
I think the only valid point is that Mishpacha should cite their sources. And if it's one rov from 70 years ago, that for whatever reason was then a Shitas yachid but is now mainstream, cite the support from today's Rabbonim. It is an issue that is valid.
The way they are responding is as if they don't consider it to be an issue.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #338 on: February 06, 2018, 01:02:44 PM »
The question is whether women dressed up to current tznius standards back then.
Why is that the question?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #339 on: February 06, 2018, 01:33:10 PM »
Why is that the question?
Because (if) they might have not, how does using a 1940s picture solve any issues. It might be b/w and low quality, but the dress code might not be up to par.

The magazines that don't publish pictures of women, do so regardless of how stringent the tznius standard of the pictured women is.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #340 on: February 06, 2018, 01:49:35 PM »
Because (if) they might have not, how does using a 1940s picture solve any issues. It might be b/w and low quality, but the dress code might not be up to par.

The magazines that don't publish pictures of women, do so regardless of how stringent the tznius standard of the pictured women is.
Well cited, indeed.

May I offer a compromise.  Publish pictures of women in black/white and taken with a 1940s camera?


He said 1940s camera, not 1940s pictures
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #341 on: February 06, 2018, 02:00:49 PM »
My grandmother used to tell us before showing us her pictures for the 40s " that it was a different time".



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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #342 on: February 06, 2018, 03:29:16 PM »
My grandmother used to tell us before showing us her pictures for the 40s " that it was a different time".

They most definitely were. I've mentioned my uncle's hotel in the past such as here
WHen my great uncle had his hotel in the mountains in the 50s, 60s, and 70s the kitchen was also run according to home standards and it was mostly a bunch of sisters in aw doing the cooking. Even when they hired a cook they were still quite involved and kept to home standards. The type of kitchen was not the same as a current commercial kitchen either. He had no hechsher but all of the gedolim of the time including R Moshe, R Aharon, the Debreciner Rov and the Mattersdorfer Rov and many others all ate there. At one point he had a hotel in Lakewood and that is where R Shneur's chasuna was. Things were different then, but a yeshiva type kitchen has a much easier time than a hotel.

My uncle had told me that for a period he also had a hotel in Miami. Before opening he went to check into the shchita there and for whatever reason was dissatisfied. There was also a train which brought meat from an NY shchita down to FL. In order to check it out he drove alongside the train one week. At one station a worker sees him and calls him over to rinse the meat since it wasn't yet salted. The worker gave him a hose and he was lifting the chunks to make sure he rinsed all over. The worker asked why it was taking so long since "everyone else just gives a quick spray around the car". So he didn't take that meat either. Instead he got the meat from a shchita in NJ and rushed it to his Lakewood hotel to salt it and rushed it back to be in time for the train going down keeping his packed separately.

In this hotel where all of these rabbonim stayed etc. and the Agudah made their conventions there was mixed swimming. R' Moshe told my uncle at the time that he should not enforce separate swimming but should rather make a separate pool for separate swimming because the hotel at the time was the only one whoch chained off the parking lot over shabbos and was THE frum hotel. It was used by only my father and his cousins. R Moshe felt that was not the fight to be busy with at the time.

In her next article she will write that all of these rabbonim stayed at a hotel which had mixed swimming.
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #343 on: February 06, 2018, 03:38:41 PM »
They most definitely were. I've mentioned my uncle's hotel in the past such as here
In this hotel where all of these rabbonim stayed etc. and the Agudah made their conventions there was mixed swimming. R' Moshe told my uncle at the time that he should not enforce separate swimming but should rather make a separate pool for separate swimming because the hotel at the time was the only one whoch chained off the parking lot over shabbos and was THE frum hotel. It was used by only my father and his cousins. R Moshe felt that was not the fight to be busy with at the time.

In her next article she will write that all of these rabbonim stayed at a hotel which had mixed swimming.
100%

That's my point..

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #344 on: February 06, 2018, 04:18:59 PM »
He said 1940s camera, not 1940s pictures
I don't know how old you are, so I don't know what your experience with developing film is.

(Film being the medium on which images were captured, it required developing as a negative, and then enlarging onto photographic paper, which also needed some processing).

I am not sure up until what year 1940s media could still be processed.
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