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Do you think heimishe magazines should show pictures of tzniusdig women?

Sure! Why not?
No way
Only of Jewish women

Author Topic: Women in Jewish magazines  (Read 32567 times)

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2017, 12:58:34 AM »
That's another problem. Taking the choice away from our daughters.
By giving them dolls over erector sets?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2017, 12:58:51 AM »
Or some major cultural differences. (unless it's just plain old prejudice towards people that see things differently).
Couldn't that be said about slavery or even (not Friday so I cant say)?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2017, 12:59:33 AM »
Do they not seek guidance when discussing any topics or when questions arise? Who do they turn to?

They seek guidance but definitely also take into account what will get them banned in more closed circles.
Now there are families that won't buy Mishpach because of some of its contents, but my guess is the same contents gets them more readers on the other end of the spectrum.

Puting pictures of woman may have a bigger/wider negative effect than the gains financially.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2017, 01:00:07 AM »
By giving them dolls over erector sets?
Now you are starting to understand.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2017, 01:03:17 AM »
Now you are starting to understand.
Its the “open”minded people that are trying to force boys to play with dolls.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2017, 01:04:17 AM »
Its the “open”minded people that are trying to force boys to play with dolls.
Force?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2017, 01:05:01 AM »
Now you are starting to understand.
nope.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2017, 01:05:21 AM »

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2017, 01:07:12 AM »
Force?
Most of the homes which would have these publications have children of both genders and therefore toys catering to both genders.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2017, 01:07:33 AM »
As in that’s all the kids get
That's a new one to me.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2017, 01:08:12 AM »
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2017, 01:08:56 AM »
You just don't realize it.
Now you are starting to sound like @ExGingi
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2017, 01:12:29 AM »
Now you are starting to sound like @ExGingi
Ouch, he's not going to like that.  :)
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #73 on: December 31, 2017, 01:13:24 AM »
Ouch, he's not going to like that.  :)
Do you ?

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #74 on: December 31, 2017, 01:13:50 AM »
Ouch, he's not going to like that.  :)
He knows what I am referring to and understands the tongue in cheek
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #75 on: December 31, 2017, 01:24:22 AM »
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #76 on: December 31, 2017, 08:29:37 AM »
Back in the day things weren't like this.  Plenty of Jewish newspapers and magazines had pictures of men and women and I think it was perfectly fine.

I honestly think this is a situation where we are kidding ourselves into thinking it's better and more machmir to have a little girl be blotted out than realizing that this is a form of extremism that has little to do with yiddeshkeit at this point. 
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #77 on: December 31, 2017, 08:39:10 AM »
Back in the day things weren't like this.  Plenty of Jewish newspapers and magazines had pictures of men and women and I think it was perfectly fine.

I honestly think this is a situation where we are kidding ourselves into thinking it's better and more machmir to have a little girl be blotted out than realizing that this is a form of extremism that has little to do with yiddeshkeit at this point. 

It's not so much about being machmir. But unfortunately we are in a situation of אכשר דרא - בתמיהה, were sensitivities that were once well ingrained, need to be explained, and are lost to lines and standards.

As my dear friend @aygart accurately stated:

Much of tznius is subjective. Anyone who thinks it is a bunch of lines missed the boat.

Some of the more chassidish it is ideological. That has at this point spilled over into other communities as well. I think some is not having the backbone or the interest in standing up to those who go overboard but some is also to avoid what would become constant haggling over standards.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #78 on: December 31, 2017, 08:42:55 AM »
It's not so much about being machmir. But unfortunately we are in a situation of אכשר דרא - בתמיהה, were sensitivities that were once well ingrained, need to be explained, and are lost to lines and standards.

As my dear friend @aygart accurately stated:
Those aren't good excuses. You can't pull all the way to one side to avoid having discussion and differences in the middle.
  And half the issue is people actually believing these standards are 'correct' and anything different is 'wrong'. 

If most people adhereing to these standards were at least honest that they're doing them to avoid debating over specifics we'd already be a lot better off.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #79 on: December 31, 2017, 08:43:25 AM »
Back in the day things weren't like this. 
Back in which day ? As far back as I can remember the papers which didn’t have it then still don’t have it and the ones which did still have it.