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Do you think heimishe magazines should show pictures of tzniusdig women?

Sure! Why not?
No way
Only of Jewish women

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #100 on: December 31, 2017, 09:28:35 AM »
Dude, these are businesses.

We are not businesses.  We're the consumers. We decide who is buying or not.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #101 on: December 31, 2017, 09:30:40 AM »
We are not businesses.  We're the consumers. We decide who is buying or not.
There are magazines who do show & we're all free to buy those if we choose to.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #102 on: December 31, 2017, 09:31:12 AM »
Most of the things I've seen were from the 60's and 70's.  No one was sleeveless, they didn't have mixed dancing, their hair was covered.

Just saying.  And yes as a whole our communities have gotten "stricter" about a lot of things.


I guess the question is how do you decide when to stop going that way?
My uncle owned what was considered at that time to be the most frum hotel around and all the gedolim are there etc. At the advice of R Moshe they had two swimming pools so that purple should have the option of separate swimming while the other was mixed. R Moshe told him that is not the fight we are fighting now but separate should at least be available. My father and his cousins were about the only ones to use it.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #103 on: December 31, 2017, 09:32:47 AM »
The same men who mightíve allowed it back then
So yes is your answer.
So you have men in power making decisions for women all the time. You don't see how this could be a problem?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #104 on: December 31, 2017, 09:33:12 AM »
WOW that is a groundbreaking study. I guess the type of toys they have at home had nothing to do with it.

and women have babies because they are conditioned to at home.  Those poor boys, had their choice of having babies taken away from them by religiously influenced cultural conditioning.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #105 on: December 31, 2017, 09:33:34 AM »
WOW that is a groundbreaking study. I guess the type of toys they have at home had nothing to do with it.

Dude, it's a study. It would be useless if there were no controls.
Here's another article you can ignore because the truth is not what you seek-
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201212/sex-specific-toy-preferences-learned-or-innate

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #106 on: December 31, 2017, 09:33:38 AM »
There are magazines who do show & we're all free to buy those if we choose to.
True. That's my usual approach.
But not speaking up causes other magazines to feel pressured to follow suit.


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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #107 on: December 31, 2017, 09:34:21 AM »
We are not businesses.  We're the consumers. We decide who is buying or not.

So don't buy anything that censors women. What's your point?

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #108 on: December 31, 2017, 09:34:50 AM »
True. That's my usual approach.
But not speaking up causes other magazines to feel pressured to follow suit.
That is capitalism
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #109 on: December 31, 2017, 09:35:25 AM »
So yes is your answer.
So you have men in power making decisions for women all the time. You don't see how this could be a problem?
No. thatís how itís always been. Even back in the 50ís 60ís & 70ís.
(If women were making these decisions it would be far more extreme. Iím not expecting you to understand this)

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #110 on: December 31, 2017, 09:35:40 AM »
We are not businesses.  We're the consumers. We decide who is buying or not.
So decide, but ago with the idiocy that they are making ideological decisions on this.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #111 on: December 31, 2017, 09:37:34 AM »
Again I have issue with this whole idea in general of lettings various topics and standards be pulled to the right because it's easier than speaking up.

With this specific topic if you argue no men should ever see a women or girl in a magazine than I have little to say to that.

But saying it's no big deal for women or girls to not see themselves represented in those pages is just not true.
And I'd venture to guess most Jewish women who are subtly taught to keep quiet so they probably haven't even let themselves honestly think about what it makes them feel or if they would benefit from seeing themselves in those pages.

Those negative effects may be subtle, or not spoken about but there is no doubt in my mind they are there. And I have no doubt there would be benefits to not seeing themselves erased, blotted out, or colored on in those pages.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #112 on: December 31, 2017, 09:38:01 AM »
True. That's my usual approach.
But not speaking up causes other magazines to feel pressured to follow suit.
Again, nobody is feeling pressured. They pick a rabbinical board (probably based on the viewership theyíre targeting) & they follow their guidance.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #113 on: December 31, 2017, 09:38:06 AM »
It would be useless if there were no controls.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #114 on: December 31, 2017, 09:38:48 AM »
So don't buy anything that censors women. What's your point?

As a community the standards we go with pressure those around to follow. That's just the way it is. If tomorrow a bunch of schools only let their kids wear black shirts eventually others would follow suit.

It's an issue. A pressure that shouldn't exist but does.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #115 on: December 31, 2017, 09:38:52 AM »
It's not so much about being machmir. But unfortunately we are in a situation of אכשר דרא - בתמיהה, were sensitivities that were once well ingrained, need to be explained, and are lost to lines and standards.

As my dear friend @aygart accurately stated:
that's a cop out
Dude, these are businesses.
that's the problem

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #116 on: December 31, 2017, 09:39:54 AM »
that's a cop outthat's the problem
What is the problem with a publication being a business?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #117 on: December 31, 2017, 09:40:49 AM »
that's a cop outthat's the problem
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #118 on: December 31, 2017, 09:40:53 AM »
Bingo!!!

So you read the study and saw that there was no controls?
Liar.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #119 on: December 31, 2017, 09:41:42 AM »
(If women were making these decisions it would be far more extreme. Iím not expecting you to understand this)
Far more extreme? Maybe we should look at decisions made by powerful women over the years. Lets see if there is a pattern of being extreme.
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