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Do you think heimishe magazines should show pictures of tzniusdig women?

Sure! Why not?
No way
Only of Jewish women

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #140 on: December 31, 2017, 10:05:37 AM »
Is that what they are taught growing up?
If they were taught that it was by women. I did not find that my daughters were taught that extreme is better.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #141 on: December 31, 2017, 10:07:46 AM »
You are making a point? I thought you were trying to understand a culture you are not a part of.
I didn't start the thread or the poll. I am trying to understand a culture. Remember understanding is a benefit but don't take that to mean I am agreeing.

I believe many things in religion is sexist. Is that something you can understand why?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #142 on: December 31, 2017, 10:09:26 AM »
I didn't start the thread or the poll. I am trying to understand a culture. Remember understanding is a benefit but don't take that to mean I am agreeing.

I believe many things in religion is sexist. Is that something you can understand why?

Define sexism please.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2017, 10:10:51 AM »
If they were taught that it was by women. I did not find that my daughters were taught that extreme is better.
Is it possible by what they see and hear every day is why they are more extreme.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #144 on: December 31, 2017, 10:12:38 AM »
Is it possible by what they see and hear every day is why they are more extreme.
Of course, but their being extreme is not limited to this. These same families are typically extreme on countless other things as well.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #145 on: December 31, 2017, 10:12:53 AM »
Define sexism please.
sexism - prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #146 on: December 31, 2017, 10:16:24 AM »
Of course, but their being extreme is not limited to this. These same families are typically extreme on countless other things as well.
So the environment they grow up in has a large impact.
This all goes back to the OP. Not seeing girls/women in papers/magazines/books has to affect boys/girls growing up.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #147 on: December 31, 2017, 10:18:47 AM »
sexism - prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

Judaism doesn't discriminate against women, it discriminates between men and women.  Not being able to discriminate between things that are different is usually considered a problem.

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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #148 on: December 31, 2017, 10:19:04 AM »
So the environment they grow up in has a large impact.
This all goes back to the OP. Not seeing girls/women in papers/magazines/books has to affect boys/girls growing up.
Yes it will have an effect. Everything has an effect. My opinion is that this is a better effect than the effect from the way some secular publications depict women.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #149 on: December 31, 2017, 10:19:33 AM »
Many girls and women will tell you there are no women or girls in magazines because it's 'not tznius' because that's what they are taught. They don't really know what they mean even.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #150 on: December 31, 2017, 10:28:56 AM »
Yes it will have an effect. Everything has an effect. My opinion is that this is a better effect than the effect from the way some secular publications depict women.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #151 on: December 31, 2017, 10:31:19 AM »
The question is, will the magazines finally cave in to the pressure from groups mentioned in the article and start printing the pictures?


Do they represent the "silent majority", or are they just a vocal minority?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #152 on: December 31, 2017, 10:32:30 AM »
Do they represent the "silent majority", or are they just a vocal minority?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #153 on: December 31, 2017, 10:32:36 AM »
Many girls and women will tell you there are no women or girls in magazines because it's 'not tznius' because that's what they are taught. They don't really know what they mean even.
Should a woman consider it tznius to model clothing for publication to be viewed by men?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #154 on: December 31, 2017, 10:34:41 AM »
The question is, will the magazines finally cave in to the pressure from groups mentioned in the article and start printing the pictures?


Do they represent the "silent majority", or are they just a vocal minority?
I would bet that the ones who are bothered enough by this to not buy the magazine aren't buying them either way.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #155 on: December 31, 2017, 10:35:12 AM »
Should a woman consider it tznius to model clothing for publication to be viewed by men?
If they are dressed and look modest ?

Honestly I have issues with ads as it is. The ones with women and the ones with men.  I haven't quite thought it all through so I can't give my final opinion. 
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #156 on: December 31, 2017, 10:37:11 AM »
If they are dressed and look modest ?

Honestly I have issues with ads as it is. The ones with women and the ones with men.  I haven't quite thought it all through so I can't give my final opinion.
Ads are by definition trying to attract the attention of the reader as are the graphics on an article.
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #157 on: December 31, 2017, 10:40:02 AM »
I would bet that the ones who are bothered enough by this to not buy the magazine aren't buying them either way.

That's what I"m trying to wrap my mind around.

Are there people that are that upset at the lack of pictures that they refuse to buy the magazines?

I would think that someone who does not want pictures and does one day see them in print would be more upset and end up not buying the magazine than somone who does want pictures and still doesn't see them.


But I don't know. That's what I want to discuss. If I were able to add another poll, it would read:

If you answered "Sure! Why not?" - would you boycott publications that don't?

If you answered "No way" - would you boycott publications that do?
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #158 on: December 31, 2017, 10:47:41 AM »
I think many people who voted sure why not have not boycotted these magazines.



The same way my Chassidish Belzer bnei brak cousins and her friends wish they could drive, are married to men who see nothing wrong with them driving but no one's protesting in the streets. 
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Re: Women in Jewish magazines
« Reply #159 on: December 31, 2017, 10:51:14 AM »


The question is, will the magazines finally cave in to the pressure from groups mentioned in the article and start printing the pictures?

Nope, never is the answer for 98% of them
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