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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #540 on: January 02, 2019, 10:28:43 PM »
I will tell you my experience. The guy that sent me to jail was a "Rosh Hakahal" in one of the Satmar Batei Midrashim. He's supposedly in the upper echelon of power in the chassidus. The Rebbe didnt know what he was doing and when the Rebbe found out he was none too happy. So Not everything that is said or done by the people "in power" is sanctioned, or the "Word of G-d".

I can tell you what I hear from my neighbors and tenant who are Ger. The Rebbe supposedly sent word that he was unhappy with the Ger community in NY. He supposedly said that the current yeshiva, Yagdil Torah, was not up to snuff. He supposedly said that the American chasidim had lost their way and were causing all sort of pritzus geder to occur including in the mode of dress of women. I say supposedly because its all machorei hapargud...no one really heard him say this. Those that have his ear say he said this.

They opened a new yeshiva for the children of lets call them "perushim". Most of the kids that go to that yeshiva are children of Israeli Ger chasidim. The Americans left their kids in Yagdil Torah. The interesting part is...that the pritzus gedarim, that was supposedly the direct reasoning in splitting the community, was introduced by...you guessed it...the Israelis themselves. Maybe not the men, but the women definitely.

So The Rebbe is hoodwinked into making proclamations and demands of a community by the ones "in power". If you ask me as a disinterested outsider, this was plain and simple a money grab by someone who was disenfrachised in Yagdil Torah. The American Gerrer chasidim resent the Israelis now for wreaking havoc on the schools. The Schools invested huge amounts of money in infrastructure over the last few years to be able to accommodate growth and then in one fell swoop the Rebbe...i.e. those in power in Israel, with no real understanding of the facts on the ground, send the whole chasidus in America into chaos.

Wow!

It's one thing to give your opinion, but it seems you are totally misinformed with the facts.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #541 on: January 02, 2019, 10:58:23 PM »
Wow!

It's one thing to give your opinion, but it seems you are totally misinformed with the facts.
Lol. That was a VERY long time ago.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #542 on: January 15, 2019, 09:23:49 AM »
I will tell you my experience. The guy that sent me to jail was a "Rosh Hakahal" in one of the Satmar Batei Midrashim. He's supposedly in the upper echelon of power in the chassidus. The Rebbe didnt know what he was doing and when the Rebbe found out he was none too happy. So Not everything that is said or done by the people "in power" is sanctioned, or the "Word of G-d".

I can tell you what I hear from my neighbors and tenant who are Ger. The Rebbe supposedly sent word that he was unhappy with the Ger community in NY. He supposedly said that the current yeshiva, Yagdil Torah, was not up to snuff. He supposedly said that the American chasidim had lost their way and were causing all sort of pritzus geder to occur including in the mode of dress of women. I say supposedly because its all machorei hapargud...no one really heard him say this. Those that have his ear say he said this.

They opened a new yeshiva for the children of lets call them "perushim". Most of the kids that go to that yeshiva are children of Israeli Ger chasidim. The Americans left their kids in Yagdil Torah. The interesting part is...that the pritzus gedarim, that was supposedly the direct reasoning in splitting the community, was introduced by...you guessed it...the Israelis themselves. Maybe not the men, but the women definitely.

So The Rebbe is hoodwinked into making proclamations and demands of a community by the ones "in power". If you ask me as a disinterested outsider, this was plain and simple a money grab by someone who was disenfrachised in Yagdil Torah. The American Gerrer chasidim resent the Israelis now for wreaking havoc on the schools. The Schools invested huge amounts of money in infrastructure over the last few years to be able to accommodate growth and then in one fell swoop the Rebbe...i.e. those in power in Israel, with no real understanding of the facts on the ground, send the whole chasidus in America into chaos.
And now the goboim are preventing the gerrer rebbi from coming to BP, They dont want him to see whats going on there.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #543 on: January 15, 2019, 11:39:57 AM »
And now the goboim are preventing the gerrer rebbi from coming to BP, They dont want him to see whats going on there.
Source? Not disputing that, just curious.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #544 on: January 15, 2019, 12:53:35 PM »
Source? Not disputing that, just curious.
A gerrer Chusid, I'm not going to post his name here.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #545 on: January 15, 2019, 02:50:17 PM »
A gerrer Chusid, I'm not going to post his name here.
That's understandable.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #546 on: January 16, 2019, 01:54:40 AM »
If I can just add to #1.

You take an Uber when you need to get to a certain destination. When you have a car you just go.

Wow...imagine a human being might want to spontaneously just go out...that does sound dangerous to the kehilla! 

And Dan is so correct, as a woman, itís way less tznius to be riding in cars with strange men all the time.  Even if itís not halachicaly Yichud, I often feel uncomfortable in Uberís and taxis alone.  People can justify and give apologetics all day long but ultimately itís about control and fear and everyone knows it (both those on the inside and outside).  As Jews, exerting self-control and following halachic standards is who we are but letís be honest about what this rule does to exert control within communities. I want to make my home my heart and joy where I focus my energies but that is different than being limited from leaving it when I want or need to.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #547 on: January 16, 2019, 01:59:07 AM »
Wow...imagine a human being might want to spontaneously just go out...that does sound dangerous to the kehilla! 

And Dan is so correct, as a woman, itís way less tznius to be riding in cars with strange men all the time.  Even if itís not halachicaly Yichud, I often feel uncomfortable in Uberís and taxis alone.  People can justify and give apologetics all day long but ultimately itís about control and fear and everyone knows it (both those on the inside and outside).  As Jews, exerting self-control and following halachic standards is who we are but letís be honest about what this rule does to exert control within communities. I want to make my home my heart and joy where I focus my energies but that is different than being limited from leaving it when I want or need to.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #548 on: January 16, 2019, 10:38:28 AM »
As rabbi yy Jacobson once said where are chasidisha woman with 10 kids gonna go to the club?! Its the men we should be concerned about

So true!  ;D

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #549 on: January 17, 2019, 11:19:01 AM »
And now the goboim are preventing the gerrer rebbi from coming to BP, They dont want him to see whats going on there.

https://www.boropark24.com/gerrer-rebbe-to-spend-shabbos-in-boro-park/

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #550 on: January 17, 2019, 11:26:27 AM »
https://www.boropark24.com/gerrer-rebbe-to-spend-shabbos-in-boro-park/
Yup original plan was he should be in Manhattan shabbos, the rebitzin told the rebbe that it makes no sense she should be in hospital and the rebbe in a apt in Manhattan he should rather go to BP, so BP it is.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #551 on: January 21, 2019, 08:44:10 PM »
DONT LOg on so often anymore but I just saw this thread...

I truly believe that non of the hasidic leaders who have banned driving really have a reason for it other than not wanting to change the status quo.

I do know that certain sects keep the rule in order to have a clear reason why not to accept certain families-types of people into their schools.
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