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Author Topic: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?  (Read 121773 times)

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #100 on: January 01, 2018, 03:00:46 PM »


Again, how does it make sense that a woman can take her kids to the park so long as she walks or takes a cab, but not if she drives?

...or are you saying women can't go to the park either?  :-\



My understanding is that the perception is that a women that drives becomes a different women.


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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #101 on: January 01, 2018, 03:04:11 PM »
Members have messaged me that they have what to say on these topics, but are scared to comment in case others know who they are and wouldn't like what they are reading.

I'd assume that applies here as well.
People from those communities trying to defend it or the reverse ?
Cause we could speculate till eternity without knowing what we’re talking about.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #102 on: January 01, 2018, 03:05:01 PM »
There are rules and regulations that you cannot fathom.

While many rules may be over the top, and the "system" has it's share of problems, a person needs to be with a community that he at least agrees with the basics.

I believe that there are too many rules period. And that the focus has become rules instead of how can we better ourselves and our children as hashem wants from us.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #103 on: January 01, 2018, 03:05:18 PM »
People from those communities trying to defend it or the reverse ?
Cause we could speculate till eternity without knowing what we’re talking about.
People that don't like the restrictions but are scared to speak out due to schools, shiduchim, etc.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #104 on: January 01, 2018, 03:05:34 PM »
It is a conspiracy between the taxi companies and the grocery stores with delivery.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #105 on: January 01, 2018, 03:06:16 PM »
While many rules may be over the top, and the "system" has it's share of problems, a person needs to be with a community that he at least agrees with the basics.

I believe that there are too many rules period. And that the focus has become rules instead of how can we better ourselves and our children as hashem wants from us.
The religion has lost a lot of it's yiddeshkeit. And it's hard. Because if we don't speak up (and most of us don't/can't) then we let it to continue to get 'worse and worse'.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #106 on: January 01, 2018, 03:06:36 PM »
Again, how does it make sense that a woman can take her kids to the park so long as she walks or takes a cab, but not if she drives?

...or are you saying women can't go to the park either?  :-\

I think that really they shouldn’t be going to the park either, again in the ultimate world of tzinus. That would be too hard for anybody to keep. They made a black and white rule that’s easy to enforce.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #107 on: January 01, 2018, 03:07:45 PM »
Googled the question in Yiddish
Anyone have the patience to read through

http://www.kaveshtiebel.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1570&sid=b0cf7517c9eefa650ed783f7186fe2ff

Also, discussed why woman cant wear pants or smoke.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #108 on: January 01, 2018, 03:08:43 PM »
I think that really they shouldn’t be going to the park either, again in the ultimate world of tzinus. That would be too hard for anybody to keep. They made a black and white rule that’s easy to enforce.

So now we're getting somewhere.

In an ideal world, women would not be allowed out the house at all?
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #109 on: January 01, 2018, 03:08:55 PM »
I think that really they shouldn’t be going to the park either, again in the ultimate world of tzinus. That would be too hard for anybody to keep. They made a black and white rule that’s easy to enforce.
It's sad that I'm not even sure if you're being sarcastic or not.

What a world.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #110 on: January 01, 2018, 03:10:03 PM »
PMed to me:

The reasons we were always told that we can’t drive included, “Tznius, es past nisht, it’s not eidel and it’s not for a Yiddishe Mame.”

There is no real reason in my opinion.

I was just discussing this topic with a real Chassidish friend of mine who would never drive - because of family, schools etc. She told me that if not for those issues she does not see the problem with it. Again, she is very Chassidish.

At this point, it is a tough rule to undo. If people were denied this prospect until now, how can they suddenly allow it? The schools are the ones putting the most pressure on families. If you are moving out of town and looking to get into a new school, your children will not be accepted if you drive.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #111 on: January 01, 2018, 03:10:26 PM »
So could someone from one of these communities who defends it please speak up ?

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #112 on: January 01, 2018, 03:11:39 PM »
PMed to me:

The reasons we were always told that we can’t drive included, “Tznius, es past nisht, it’s not eidel and it’s not for a Yiddishe Mame.”

There is no real reason in my opinion.

I was just discussing this topic with a real Chassidish friend of mine who would never drive - because of family, schools etc. She told me that if not for those issues she does not see the problem with it. Again, she is very Chassidish.

At this point, it is a tough rule to undo. If people were denied this prospect until now, how can they suddenly allow it? The schools are the ones putting the most pressure on families. If you are moving out of town and looking to get into a new school, your children will not be accepted if you drive.

- An Anonymous Chassidish Women Driver
Does Belzer Rebbe allow it ?

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #113 on: January 01, 2018, 03:12:41 PM »
@AJK Good job in pulling everyone away from the magazine thread. Now that is a given and all anyone cares about is the ones who don't drive. Success!!!
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #114 on: January 01, 2018, 03:13:06 PM »
While many rules may be over the top, and the "system" has it's share of problems, a person needs to be with a community that he at least agrees with the basics.

I believe that there are too many rules period. And that the focus has become rules instead of how can we better ourselves and our children as hashem wants from us.
In Ger the Israeli contingent broke away from the main contingent because the Americans were not "up to snuff". On the male side they were right. But the women, who the new rules mainly apply to, on the American side, were frum and it was the Israeli ones that introduced the tznius issues.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #115 on: January 01, 2018, 03:13:26 PM »
PMed to me:

The reasons we were always told that we can’t drive included, “Tznius, es past nisht, it’s not eidel and it’s not for a Yiddishe Mame.”

There is no real reason in my opinion.

I was just discussing this topic with a real Chassidish friend of mine who would never drive - because of family, schools etc. She told me that if not for those issues she does not see the problem with it. Again, she is very Chassidish.

At this point, it is a tough rule to undo. If people were denied this prospect until now, how can they suddenly allow it? The schools are the ones putting the most pressure on families. If you are moving out of town and looking to get into a new school, your children will not be accepted if you drive.

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Our schools have some of the most control in all of our communities. Where we can go, what we can do, what we can wear, etc etc.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #116 on: January 01, 2018, 03:13:36 PM »
Googled the question in Yiddish
Anyone have the patience to read through

http://www.kaveshtiebel.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1570&sid=b0cf7517c9eefa650ed783f7186fe2ff

Also, discussed why woman cant wear pants or smoke.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #117 on: January 01, 2018, 03:14:57 PM »
So could someone from one of these communities who defends it please speak up ?
Maybe they don't want to drive?
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #118 on: January 01, 2018, 03:15:58 PM »
To summarize all the new popcorn threads there's 1 underlying factor.

There is a split in how everyone perceives things.

Side 1- yiddishkeit has changed. The internal flame that our parents and grandparents had simply isn't there. ( No disagreement here. How many of us would live through 6 years of Hell and still stay frum? )

They therefore believe that we need to shield ourselves from the outside world. Less change. More restrictions. Try to do everything so that we don't lose our sensitivities. ( Even if many are failing the system, at least the ones that stay reflect the way a Jew should be to the best of their ability in 2018 )

Side 2 - we are in a different world and things will only get worse, unless we adapt. Many of the old school systems are falling way too many of our kids..

( I need to go...I'm sure someone can continue to explain side 2 )

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #119 on: January 01, 2018, 03:16:03 PM »
for all those that remember even rivka imeinu drove her own camel! ( not to mention that she fell off when she saw her husband0
And that's why we don't let them drive