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Is your wife allowed to drive? (Females: Are you allowed to drive?)

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Author Topic: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?  (Read 121765 times)

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #120 on: January 01, 2018, 03:20:55 PM »
It's sad that I'm not even sure if you're being sarcastic or not.

What a world.
You mean I should feel sad for you (and others)that you can’t comprehend such a value in yuddishkeit ? It’s for me to say I do...

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #121 on: January 01, 2018, 03:22:20 PM »
You mean I should feel sad for you (and others)that you can’t comprehend such a value in yuddishkeit ? It’s for me to say I do...
A value? You really think it would be ideal if your wife never left the house?

I am always open to listening and understanding other views.
Honestly.

What exactly is the value you have here that I misunderstood?


(I'm asking in all sincerity, sometimes online that doesn't come across )
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #122 on: January 01, 2018, 03:23:14 PM »
In the ideal world of tnius we really wouldn't have women at all. Ok lemaisah it's not practical so we keep them around otherwise we would all die out but it doesn't mean that they should actually do anything. I mean come on, if you let them out of the house a man might actually see one!
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #123 on: January 01, 2018, 03:23:24 PM »
Found it in the Yiddish thread as from R' JJ Jacobson

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1noqSdO1s9aHhUtO1MjMY0_LdT_GJHu2Y/view

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #124 on: January 01, 2018, 03:25:00 PM »
Why cant woman smoke even in more liberal communities.
Maybe this will help to understand the underlying concept.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #125 on: January 01, 2018, 03:25:39 PM »
You mean I should feel sad for you (and others)that you can’t comprehend such a value in yuddishkeit ? It’s for me to say I do...
I understand that you think this could be a virtue in yiddishkeit but you haven't said where that comes from. It's not you or me who makes up what "Yiddishe values" are or are not.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #126 on: January 01, 2018, 03:26:36 PM »
Why cant woman smoke even in more liberal communities.
Maybe this will help to understand the underlying concept.
Women smoking has a major stigma attached to it in the non-jewish world as well...
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #127 on: January 01, 2018, 03:27:32 PM »
Women smoking has a major stigma attached to it in the non-jewish world as well...
Not in the America I live in

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #128 on: January 01, 2018, 03:28:21 PM »
People smoking has a major stigma attached to it in the non-jewish world as well...
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #129 on: January 01, 2018, 03:28:58 PM »
Women smoking has a major stigma attached to it in the non-jewish world as well...

+1  I don't know if I would say major but def more of a stigma versus a lot of other countries.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #130 on: January 01, 2018, 03:29:36 PM »
Not in the America I live in
Ok, maybe not a major stigma but it's definitely seen as unladylike for a woman to smoke cigarettes. I may be totally off on this but that's the way I've always felt general perception was.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #131 on: January 01, 2018, 03:30:42 PM »
Maybe this is the underlying reason

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #132 on: January 01, 2018, 03:32:31 PM »
Why cant woman smoke even in more liberal communities.
Maybe this will help to understand the underlying concept.
So they should stay alive?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #134 on: January 01, 2018, 03:34:08 PM »
So they should stay alive?

and men?


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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #135 on: January 01, 2018, 03:35:17 PM »
You mean I should feel sad for you (and others)that you can’t comprehend such a value in yuddishkeit ? It’s for me to say I do...

So here's your golden opportunity to open all our eyes to the real values of tznius by actually explaining them to us instead of just telling us these are your feelings and that this is how it should be because that's how you feel.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #136 on: January 01, 2018, 03:38:18 PM »
and men?


Also shouldn't smoke. Typically women are more in tune to these health things.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #137 on: January 01, 2018, 03:39:11 PM »
So here's your golden opportunity to open all our eyes to the real values of tznius by actually explaining them to us instead of just telling us these are your feelings and that this is how it should be because that's how you feel.
You mean I should feel sad for you (and others)that you can’t comprehend such a value in yuddishkeit ? It’s for me to say I do...

In all honesty, I really did think you were being sarcastic. I try not to joke around too much where other peoples thoughts and ideas are concerned. And I really am open to hearing your point of view.    I'd like to understand why you believe there is value in a women not going to the park.


It's not that I don't get where these thoughts come from. Or how they came to be. I just personally think we've taken things to an unhealthy level and detached it far from yiddeshkeit.

But I would like if you could explain the value of having a women not go out to the park.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #138 on: January 01, 2018, 03:39:50 PM »
In my community women are not allowed to drive, nobody really knows why.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #139 on: January 01, 2018, 03:41:35 PM »
Why cant woman smoke even in more liberal communities.
Maybe this will help to understand the underlying concept.
They are not allowed to smoke either?
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