Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Animal cruelty

After I seen what you do to chickens I thought that wouldn't be a concern.

[yelped]

This is about men but he was known to physically lie down in the street if he saw a women driving in ofakim... I believe he held it was a tznius issue, and possibly lo silbash (!?) If someone has a nefesh chaya I'm sure it's in there.

This is for Ballei Madrega, not for the Hamoin Am.

[ExGingi]

for all those that remember even rivka imeinu drove her own camel! ( not to mention that she fell off when she saw her husband0

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She was just a passenger. Eliezer was driving.

[Eliyohu]

This is for Ballei Madrega, not for the Hamoin Am.

True, however for those sects of Judaism that chitzonios miorer hapnimios is a major focus, I can imagine them doing such a thing for some of his stated reasons...

[miles lover]

  רמבם פרק י״ג מהלכות אישות הלכה י”א
ויש לבעל למנוע אשתו מזה ולא יניחנה לצאת אלא פעם אחת בחודש או כמה פעמים בחודש לפי הצורך. שאין יופי לאשה אלא לישב בזוית ביתה שכך כתוב כל כבודה בת מלך פנימה:

For all those that need a mekor. I’m not saying that it should be like that today but I hear it.

[sky121]

  רמבם פרק י״ג מהלכות אישות הלכה י”א
ויש לבעל למנוע אשתו מזה ולא יניחנה לצאת אלא פעם אחת בחודש או כמה פעמים בחודש לפי הצורך. שאין יופי לאשה אלא לישב בזוית ביתה שכך כתוב כל כבודה בת מלך פנימה:

For all those that need a mekor. I’m not saying that it should be like that today but I hear it.

I realize lots people are just making fun and not listening but I am still waiting for an answer about the value of having the women not go to the park and staying at home.

[miles lover]

I realize lots people are just making fun and not listening but I am still waiting for an answer about the value of having the women not go to the park and staying at home.

Do you understand the Rambam ? The rambam saw the value from the passuk and made it into a Halacha.

[ExGingi]

They can drink all they want - they can't drive anyway

Can't or not allowed to?

Poll needs updating. Need options for allowed but shouldn't, etc.

[mgarfin]

I realize lots people are just making fun and not listening but I am still waiting for an answer about the value of having the women not go to the park and staying at home.

My values aren't relevant, as Jews we are looking for the Torahs value. Some understand this to mean that Torah values prohibit women from driving


גמרא פסחים ג,א שבאשה קראו מושב כיון שאין דרכה ברכיבה, ופירש”י שאין דרכה של אשה ברכיבה, וברבינו חננאל כתב שהוא דרך גנאי לאשה.

רמבם פרק י״ג מהלכות אישות הלכה י”א
ויש לבעל למנוע אשתו מזה ולא יניחנה לצאת אלא פעם אחת בחודש או כמה פעמים בחודש לפי הצורך. שאין יופי לאשה אלא לישב בזוית ביתה שכך כתוב כל כבודה בת מלך פנימה:

הגר"ש ואזנר שליט"א בשו"ת שבט הלוי חלק ד' סימן א' אות ב' שכתב בזה"ל, מן הנסיון למדתי שהוא דבר שראוי לאסרו איסור גמור, כי עצם הלימוד [של־נהיגה] גרם כבר וגורם לפריצות, והוא ההיפך הגמור מכל כבודה בת מלך פנימה, כמו שעצם הנהיגה הוא ממש להיפך כל כבודה וגו'. האשה חושפת עצמה בזה בשווקים ורחובות לעין כל רואה, נכשלת ומכשלת את האחרים. ואין דרכה של־אשה במרכב, עיין פסחים דף ג' ע"א. אעפ"י שהמציאות של־רכיבה על גבי בהמה אינו דומה לגמרי להא דידן, מכל־מקום בעצם אין דרכה בכך דומה בכמה דברים שקשה לפרש בכתב וכו'

[sky121]

Do you understand the Rambam ? The rambam saw the value from the passuk and made it into a Halacha.

I'm asking the about the value you spoke about about not having women go to the park. I just want to understand what I misunderstood there.

[yelped]

True, however for those sects of Judaism that chitzonios miorer hapnimios is a major focus, I can imagine them doing such a thing for some of his stated reasons...

That may be the intention, but as the Gemara warns us with the story I alluded to above (that, surprisingly, no one commented on), too much of this leads to the opposite effect happening.

  רמבם פרק י״ג מהלכות אישות הלכה י”א
ויש לבעל למנוע אשתו מזה ולא יניחנה לצאת אלא פעם אחת בחודש או כמה פעמים בחודש לפי הצורך. שאין יופי לאשה אלא לישב בזוית ביתה שכך כתוב כל כבודה בת מלך פנימה:

For all those that need a mekor. I’m not saying that it should be like that today but I hear it.

The Rambam himself would not write this about these times, sorry. And for all those who are ready to jump at me, and say Halacha doesn't change, situations do change, and in our times, having women out in the street is meaningless, therefore, the benefit of staying home is miniscule, and overrided by other considerations. It used to be a big deal to be seen with one's spouse in the street in all kehillos a few hundred years ago, even up to more recent generations, today very few people even know about that.

[Dan]

What does not driving have to do with staying at home?

What makes walking/Uber/cab/bus/subway inherently better?

[sky121]

My values aren't relevant, as Jews we are looking for the Torahs value.

Your values matter. And maybe sometimes we do things even if we dont value them because they are part of our society or community but your values matter. You can have values outside of halacha as well. We're human beings.

[sky121]

What does not driving have to do with staying at home?

What makes walking/Uber/cab/bus/subway inherently better?

Less control? That's the only answer I can think of. 

[shlonx]

for all those that remember even rivka imeinu drove her own camel! ( not to mention that she fell off when she saw her husband0

Reminds me of a vertel, why did Rivka fall off the camel when she saw Yitzchak?

Because up until then, tefillas mincha didn't exist yet. She saw Yitzchak going out in the afternoon and start davening, and thought he was davening a very late shacharis. She was so shocked that she fell off her camel!

[mgarfin]

Your values matter. And maybe sometimes we do things even if we dont value them because they are part of our society or community but your values matter. You can have values outside of halacha as well. We're human beings.

I strongly disagree. In short,
How can something be a value if it's not a value for Hashem?

[Eliyohu]

That may be the intention, but as the Gemara warns us with the story I alluded to above (that, surprisingly, no one commented on), too much of this leads to the opposite effect happening.

All too many (chassidish) chumros are of such intention... In regards to chumros in general that are a siyug it takes some serious daas Torah to make the hair splitting differences of what will lead to what...

[miles lover]

I realize lots people are just making fun and not listening but I am still waiting for an answer about the value of having the women not go to the park and staying at home.

  The value of a woman being inside the house is stated in the rambam I quoted earlier. Like I said before I’m not saying that the rambam would apply to our society but the question was if this concept exists. It does..

[WhatNot]

This is Rabbi Menashe Reisman, a famous Belzer mashpia.
Think it was at an event in Monsey for Belze yungerliet.

I heard that some community leaders made sure he doesn't get to talk to the RAV about it

This was actually at an event for ladies.

[good sam]

Members have messaged me that they have what to say on these topics, but are scared to comment in case others know who they are and wouldn't like what they are reading.

I'd assume that applies here as well.

Wait, you read your messages?

Everyone, Dan reads his messages!!