Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?

[sky121]

There are schools which will accept these kids, but they do not want to send there. The biggest issue is when people do not want to conform with Satmar yet want to be accepted as Satmar. They want to send their kids to the "yeshivishe" school yet do not want to beyeshivish. They will be accepted as what they are. Don't wear a mini skirt and expect to be accepted as a rebbetzin. In Lakewood there is where to go for someone who deos not wish to be a part of the yeshivishe community and many are there. In other places that may be more difficult.

I hear that idea.  And I hear what you're saying. I just think those boundries and criteria and standards are not drawn in the right places at all.   There's very little room for wiggle.
Why does one have to leave their whole Chassidish community just because a  wife may drive but otherwise they're totally Chassidish?

[aygart]

Why does a shaitel that's a little longer and the fact that a guy wears colored shirts have to automatically make you into a 'certain kind of family'.

It doesn't do it automatically, but when a large segment of a community do not where a long shaitel because they do not consider it to be tznius then the family who does not do so would normally be that either they have a different standard of tznius or that they do not care about the standard they have.

[aygart]

nussach Ari daveners etc.

[sky121]

It doesn't do it automatically, but when a large segment of a community do not where a long shaitel because they do not consider it to be tznius then the family who does not do so would normally be that either they have a different standard of tznius or that they do not care about the standard they have.

Why have things boiled down to such specific issues of how long a shaitel standard is? And why do two individuals with different views about a topic they both inherently hold important need to go to different schools?

[churnbabychurn]

Cuz someone would undoubtedly claim chabbadskers are not accepted here. Even they are totally welcome. It's the warmest most accepting community in klal Yisroel imho.

[aygart]

I hear that idea.  And I hear what you're saying. I just think those boundries and criteria and standards are not drawn in the right places at all.   There's very little room for wiggle.
Why does one have to leave their whole Chassidish community just because a  wife may drive but otherwise they're totally Chassidish?

I can't speak for the communities which do that since I am not a part of them and do not fully understand the concept myself. I would bet that the vast majority of the women who drive have other areas where they are non-conforming as well.

[aygart]

Cuz someone would undoubtedly claim chabbadskers are not accepted here. Even they are totally welcome. It's the warmest most accepting community in klal Yisroel imho.

If that is what you meant then your sentence structure is lacking.

[churnbabychurn]

If that is what you meant then your sentence structure is lacking.

Ya, I know

[a mirrer]

Isn't the essence of a chassidus to follow those at the top? Aren't there people "in power" there at the him of the rebbe?

It is somewhat of an oxy moron to want to be a part of Satmar but to be unwilling to follow the community. I understood you to be saying that it is not so easy to leave and hence my comment. There are plenty of places one can move to if they do not wish to conform to the community they are in. Many have moved from KJ to Monsey for exactly that reason.

the problem is when you have a group of power hungry people who take over a chassidus and then proceed to snuff out any opposition while not even letting the people opposed to them to break away and go to another chassidus.
I have a friend who was kicked out of ger and when he tried sending his kids to another chassidus that rebbe got a phone call from a certain minister warning him not to dare accept the kids into his cheder.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I would bet that the vast majority of the women who drive have other areas where they are non-conforming as well.

Is anyone 100% conforming? Is your point the "slippery slope"?

[aygart]

Is anyone 100% conforming? Is your point the "slippery slope"?

No I am not arguing slippery slope. The facts are that there are communities which consider it to be a big deal. When someone is ready to ignore it that means they are not conforming to the standards of the community. It is most likely that there are numerous other ways in which they do not conform already.

This in no way means that they should conform to such standards. I personally do not understand the whole concept of women not driving as a matter of tznius. There has been no compelling explanation offered here either.

[hvaces42]

Is anyone 100% conforming? Is your point the "slippery slope"?

Perfection is the goal. Some in these sects feel they are already there and demand conformity, even though its unrealistic. Slippery slope is the definition of why a "geder" would exist. So some of these prohibitions are gedarim, gates, to prevent from entry onto the slippery slope.

Driving is one I have never understood though.

When my older son started high school, at orientation, they warned us of modes of transportation available to the boys. Every successively more sophisticated mode of transportation allows for a bigger radius for the kids to run away to. So they implored us not to get the kids drivers ed to keep them closer to home.

[Dan]

There is definitely a school in Lakewood that caters to the colored shirt and very long shatiels type of family.

Hmm. What if I wear colored shirts but my wife doesn't have a long sheitel? Is there a school for that?

[yhaller14]

Hmm. What if I wear colored shirts but my wife doesn't have a long sheitel? Is there a school for that?

If u were that type you most likely wouldn't be living in Lakewood, more like cle

[cholent]

Hmm. What if I wear colored shirts but my wife doesn't have a long sheitel? Is there a school for that?

The hyper polarization of Lakewood schools is an unfortunate but almost inevitable outcome of a community with such a large number of schools.

[churnbabychurn]

The hyper polarization of Lakewood schools is an unfortunate but almost inevitable outcome of a community with such a large number of schools.

I think it's just a hyper polarized community.

[Shkop]

I think it's just a hyper polarized community.

It's nice that you think that but there are plenty of communities that are more polarized.

[Shkop]

I'm not condoning anything. Just stating the facts on the ground. - within lakwood and it's environs, everyone within the broad spectrum of charaidy is comfortable and accepted. From the extreme yeshivish right wing, extreme chassidishe to the left wing Jean wearing spandex bike wearing nussach Ari daveners etc.

Mild anti-semitism aside, that was bizarre. Not surprised though

[chevron]

Meh. They all get in eventually. Most are just picky.

(Anyway, not getting into a privately owned school doesn't mean you can't do what you want and it's not a free for all. Noone is stopping you. People who care about neighborhood pressure have moved to totally non Jewish areas where the neighbors are very non judgmental...)

this, my building has few jews and I chose it that way. Would buy a house i non jewish area 15 min walk to shull

[FlyFirst]

Because these takanos are slowly starting to creep into other communities and become the 'basic standard' instead of takanos.

I don't think so, can you point me out one example? I'd rather say just the opposite, things that used to be unacceptable are slowly starting to get לכתחילה