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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #330 on: January 07, 2018, 12:51:01 PM »
Is anyone 100% conforming? Is your point the "slippery slope"?
No I am not arguing slippery slope. The facts are that there are communities which consider it to be a big deal. When someone is ready to ignore it that means they are not conforming to the standards of the community. It is most likely that there are numerous other ways in which they do not conform already.

This in no way means that they should conform to such standards. I personally do not understand the whole concept of women not driving as a matter of tznius. There has been no compelling explanation offered here either.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #331 on: January 07, 2018, 01:09:22 PM »
Is anyone 100% conforming? Is your point the "slippery slope"?
Perfection is the goal. Some in these sects feel they are already there and demand conformity, even though its unrealistic. Slippery slope is the definition of why a "geder" would exist. So some of these prohibitions are gedarim, gates, to prevent from entry onto the slippery slope.

Driving is one I have never understood though.

When my older son started high school, at orientation, they warned us of modes of transportation available to the boys. Every successively more sophisticated mode of transportation allows for a bigger radius for the kids to run away to. So they implored us not to get the kids drivers ed to keep them closer to home.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #332 on: January 07, 2018, 01:13:26 PM »
There is definitely a school in Lakewood that caters to the colored shirt and very long shatiels type of family.
Hmm. What if I wear colored shirts but my wife doesn't have a long sheitel? Is there a school for that?
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #333 on: January 07, 2018, 01:18:16 PM »
Hmm. What if I wear colored shirts but my wife doesn't have a long sheitel? Is there a school for that?
If u were that type you most likely wouldn't be living in Lakewood, more like cle
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #334 on: January 07, 2018, 01:18:21 PM »
Hmm. What if I wear colored shirts but my wife doesn't have a long sheitel? Is there a school for that?
The hyper polarization of Lakewood schools is an unfortunate but almost inevitable outcome of a community with such a large number of schools.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #335 on: January 07, 2018, 01:43:37 PM »
The hyper polarization of Lakewood schools is an unfortunate but almost inevitable outcome of a community with such a large number of schools.
I think it's just a hyper polarized community.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #336 on: January 07, 2018, 01:53:54 PM »
I think it's just a hyper polarized community.
It's nice that you think that but there are plenty of communities that are more polarized.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #337 on: January 07, 2018, 01:58:08 PM »
I'm not condoning anything. Just stating the facts on the ground. - within lakwood and it's environs, everyone within the broad spectrum of charaidy is comfortable and accepted. From the extreme yeshivish right wing, extreme chassidishe to the left wing Jean wearing spandex bike wearing nussach Ari daveners etc.

Mild anti-semitism aside, that was bizarre. Not surprised though
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #338 on: January 07, 2018, 02:24:21 PM »
Meh. They all get in eventually. Most are just picky.

(Anyway, not getting into a privately owned school doesn't mean you can't do what you want and it's not a free for all. Noone is stopping you. People who care about neighborhood pressure have moved to totally non Jewish areas where the neighbors are very non judgmental...)

this, my building has few jews and I chose it that way. Would buy a house i non jewish area 15 min walk to shull

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #339 on: January 07, 2018, 03:07:02 PM »
Because these takanos are slowly starting to creep into other communities and become the 'basic standard' instead of takanos.
I don't think so, can you point me out one example? I'd rather say just the opposite, things that used to be unacceptable are slowly starting to get לכתחילה

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #340 on: January 07, 2018, 03:09:39 PM »
When leaving causes you to lose out on friends, and family it's not really an easy option.

It's a choice, but not really.

That's a problem that everyone has when leaving his circle he grew up at.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #341 on: January 07, 2018, 03:16:15 PM »
I don't think so, can you point me out one example? I'd rather say just the opposite, things that used to be unacceptable are slowly starting to get לכתחילה
You seem to be talking about general trends

Because these takanos are slowly starting to creep into other communities and become the 'basic standard' instead of takanos.

This seems to be referring to specific cases. The example given is women not being allowed to drive.  Is the above point accurate?
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #342 on: January 07, 2018, 04:58:19 PM »
Hmm. What if I wear colored shirts but my wife doesn't have a long sheitel? Is there a school for that?

Probably

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #343 on: January 07, 2018, 05:14:52 PM »
Hmm. What if I wear colored shirts but my wife doesn't have a long sheitel? Is there a school for that?

Take yourself as an example, do you think everyone wants their kids to be exposed to your type of family (for the good and the bad)!
Even in your CLE, you have 3 types/levels of schools. Watch CLE grow and it will get more and more refined schools.

We can argue the benefit of ALL kids in the same school but will have a hard time drawing the line.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #344 on: January 07, 2018, 05:21:00 PM »
It's nice that you think that but there are plenty of communities that are more polarized.
For eg? Monsey maybe. Otherwise the modern orthodox ones are usually very restrictive and unaccepting of chassidim or yeshivish.
That leaves us with out of town and Israel...