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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #400 on: January 08, 2018, 12:43:12 AM »
There are quite a few chabadskers in lakwood. If more don't move here it's not because they won't be accepted or welcomed.

Not sure how you are defining young Israel, but if it's chareidy they are here and welcome

You can't make this stuff up.

Young Israel isn't that hard to define. You have an actual hava amina that Young Israel is chareidi?

You make the assumption that whatever is chareidi is in Lakewood and welcome. (excluding Chabad in any considerable numbers, Breslov etc., but I digress). But if it's not chareidi it's not in Lakewood. Now that is mostly true...but you just finished saying that:

Oot communities may be very mixed and accepting but nowhere near as varied as Lakewood. You simply don't have the right and left wings all accepting of each other like Lakewood.. some are close though.
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Wait... Lakewood has pretty much only Chareidim. But its also more mixed and varied than OOT that also has non Chareidim??
And what about the "accepting" part? That only extends to Chareidim? Oh, are you saying that non-chareidim aren't Orthodox?

Like I said, a lot of what you say is contradictory. It's also amusing if it wasn't so sad
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #401 on: January 08, 2018, 12:45:05 AM »


Now that I made sure that my dear friend didn't fall asleep on his watch, we can get to a more serious answer

Lol. Too late for tonight.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #402 on: January 08, 2018, 12:45:36 AM »
This one hurts. That you've met a Lubavitcher and can think he has no manhig? ס'איז אן אך און וויי

True.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #403 on: January 08, 2018, 12:48:26 AM »
True.
In 50 year's you may also understand it!


Too late for tonight.

Maybe another time we'll help @mgarfin understand.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #404 on: January 08, 2018, 12:48:57 AM »
You can't make this stuff up.

Young Israel isn't that hard to define. You have an actual hava amina that Young Israel is chareidi?

You make the assumption that whatever is chareidi is in Lakewood and welcome. (excluding Chabad in any considerable numbers, Breslov etc., but I digress). But if it's not chareidi it's not in Lakewood. Now that is mostly true...but you just finished saying that:

Oot communities may be very mixed and accepting but nowhere near as varied as Lakewood. You simply don't have the right and left wings all accepting of each other like Lakewood.. some are close though.
[/quote

Wait... Lakewood has pretty much only Chareidim. But its also more mixed and varied than OOT that also has non Chareidim??
And what about the "accepting" part? That only extends to Chareidim? Oh, are you saying that non-chareidim aren't Orthodox?

Like I said, a lot of what you say is contradictory. It's also amusing if it wasn't so sad
I can see you don't know much about Lakewood.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #405 on: January 08, 2018, 12:49:41 AM »
what @chulent said is true, the more schools that become necessary due to community growth the more specificity there is in each school. And sadly, the more in town the city becomes.
For example, LA is well known for the Chabad, Chassideishe and general community being very well integrated. However, consider that when my wife was in HS there was only one Bais Yaakov. Over the past 15 years they have opened a Chabad Bais Yaakov and a Chassideshe Bais Yaakov. They also opened a second, less academic, Bais Yaakov.
 Will my children feel the same integration that we did?
Consider further, that in my children's K-8, mainstream school (there is also a Chabad school, and a chassideshe school which opened in the last two decades) there is still a broad mix of families, from super yeshivish to TV in the living room. (I'd guess that at this point 99% of the parent body cover hair etc.) Most are squarely in the middle. However, the influences that I have trouble with come clearly from the right, not from the more modern side. Because if the Kleins, go to Bermuda for Pesach, or the Friedman's mommy listens to non jewish music, I can explain that to my children, and show how we have such a awesome and beautiful Torahdige life. However, when Rabbi A.'s daughter has a brand new wardrobe every YT, and my son comes home from Rabbi B.'s home, after playing with his son and asking to continue the video, because they 'have a computer that hangs on the wall in the playroom' and were watching LizardLand or whatever, and Rabbi A. and Rabbi B. are considered by all to be chashuva klei kodesh, and Rabbi C.'s wife has a DVD gemach of kosher movies, which we don't like our kids to watch, I sort of feel like I'm better off with my kids having the more modernishe friends.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #406 on: January 08, 2018, 12:50:58 AM »
True.
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Huh?

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #407 on: January 08, 2018, 12:58:12 AM »
Huh?
Maybe another time we'll help @mgarfin understand.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #408 on: January 08, 2018, 12:59:34 AM »
This one hurts. That you've met a Lubavitcher and can think he has no manhig? ס'איז אן אך און וויי

Love the yiddisher sentences...

Do you feel the need to express yourself in yiddish?
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #409 on: January 08, 2018, 01:01:01 AM »
Love the yiddisher sentences...

Do you feel the need to express yourself in yiddish?
No. My Yiddish is awful. That line doesn't really translate.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #410 on: January 08, 2018, 01:01:05 AM »
You guys are in denial!
It will come at you the hard way
To me it sounds like jealousy mixed with ignorance.
24 years after the Rebbe's histalkus and yet every Lubavitcher knows who his Rebbe and Manhig is.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #411 on: January 08, 2018, 01:02:10 AM »
No. My Yiddish is awful. That line doesn't really translate.

Perphaps; a new thread to brush up your yiddish 😬
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #412 on: January 08, 2018, 01:06:27 AM »
You guys are in denial!
It will come at you the hard way
So you figure Titus was onto something when he stabbed the פרוכת?
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #413 on: January 08, 2018, 01:19:30 AM »
So you figure Titus was onto something when he stabbed the פרוכת?
??
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #414 on: January 08, 2018, 01:34:18 AM »
This one hurts. That you've met a Lubavitcher and can think he has no manhig?
Can't see how this would hurt. The only Lubavitchers that might think so, are some of those that might not yet be aware that they are Lubavitchers.
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #415 on: January 08, 2018, 02:12:19 AM »
Wow, expected this thread to go OT, bu that was quite a turn.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #416 on: January 08, 2018, 02:26:59 AM »
, but if it's chareidy they are here and welcome
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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #417 on: January 08, 2018, 07:51:17 AM »
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שמירת הלכה or anything like that doesn't matter. As long as you can call it charedi. And everything else is treif
I was just commenting on Lakewood as a community and on the topic of this thread.

It's very simple, Lakewood as a community accepts all brands of chareidi. - whether the women drive or not, and even if she rides a bike.

This went way over @shkops head, as he even missed comprehending the topic of the thread. - the discussion is about the various "levels" "chumros" and hanhogos within the charedi communities. - modox have non of these.

Both of you are trying to make this about non charedi/modox/conservadox/young Israel. It's the wrong thread and has nothing to do with my comments.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #418 on: January 08, 2018, 07:53:06 AM »
I can see you don't know much about Lakewood.
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There's more breslev in Lakewood than virtually anywhere in the US. for eg.

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Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
« Reply #419 on: January 08, 2018, 08:10:08 AM »
Can't see how this would hurt. The only Lubavitchers that might think so, are some of those that might not yet be aware that they are Lubavitchers.
This hurt *me* as a Lubavitcher who has met @mgarfin IRL. That he could walk away from meeting me thinking I don't have a Rebbe stings.