Elder Law in Israel (durable POA question).

[ExGingi]

Does anyone know of competent, preferably English speaking, Elder Law attorney in Israel.

I have been trying to get some documents done, but it seems like either I'm not talking to the right attorneys, or laws are very different in Israel than in the US.

The specific issue at hand right now is putting a durable power of attorney in force. It seems like a durable POA is commonly only done in Israel for real-estate transactions, and seemingly only when there's a named counterparty.

There's no transaction now, nor is there a specific contemplated counterparty, but we do want to make sure proper documents are in place, so we are not left scrambling if the need to effectuate a transaction arises, and principal is incapacitated at the time.

[mgarfin]

I had at a time a general POA from my father.
I used it for lots of things other than real estate. Even got a mortgage.
The only limation I recall was opening a bank account.

[ExGingi]

I had at a time a general POA from my father.
I used it for lots of things other than real estate. Even got a mortgage.
The only limation I recall was opening a bank account.

Was it a durable POA?

A POA is not valid if the principal is incapacitated, unless it is a durable POA.

[mgarfin]

It was a
 ייפוי כוח כללי

https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ייפוי_כוח

[ExGingi]

It was a
 ייפוי כוח כללי

https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ייפוי_כוח

Which becomes invalid once the principal becomes incapacitated.

What I am looking for is ייפוי כח בלתי חוזר. However, attorneys I've spoken to (mainly real estate attorneys) say that it is only done with a named counterparty, in order to protect the counterparty.

[mgarfin]

Which becomes invalid once the principal becomes incapacitated.

What I am looking for is ייפוי כח בלתי חוזר. However, attorneys I've spoken to (mainly real estate attorneys) say that it is only done with a named counterparty, in order to protect the counterparty.

Correct that is my understanding from Wikipedia too

ייפוי כוח בלתי חוזר הוא ייפוי כוח שניתן לטובת צד שלישי מסוים ביחס לנכס מסוים ונועד להבטחת זכויותיו של אותו צד שלישי. תוקפו של ייפוי הכוח הבלתי חוזר אינו ניתן לביטול, אלא בהתאם לתנאים שמכוחם ניתן, בהתאם להסכם שנחתם בין הצדדים. היות ייפוי הכוח בלתי חוזר תלוי בתוכנו של ייפוי הכוח ולא בכותרתו.

[ExGingi]

Correct that is my understanding from Wikipedia too

ייפוי כוח בלתי חוזר הוא ייפוי כוח שניתן לטובת צד שלישי מסוים ביחס לנכס מסוים ונועד להבטחת זכויותיו של אותו צד שלישי. תוקפו של ייפוי הכוח הבלתי חוזר אינו ניתן לביטול, אלא בהתאם לתנאים שמכוחם ניתן, בהתאם להסכם שנחתם בין הצדדים. היות ייפוי הכוח בלתי חוזר תלוי בתוכנו של ייפוי הכוח ולא בכותרתו.

What I was looking for was such a document without a named third party.

Thanks to @thaber for referring me to the following article: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/law-ongoing-power-of-attorney-elder-care/

[Ergel]

Do you still need an attorney?

[ExGingi]

Do you still need an attorney?

I got a name or two. If you have a name (preferably in Tel-Aviv/Herzliya/Raanana area) I would appreciate, especially if you have personal experience you can share.

[Ergel]

I got a name or two. If you have a name (preferably in Tel-Aviv/Herzliya/Raanana area) I would appreciate, especially if you have personal experience you can share.

I have someone in RBS, did a real estate deal with him, but he does that stuff as well.
The attorney on the other side was very good as well, he has an office in Tel Aviv. I assume he does elder care as well, but not sure

[ExGingi]

Follow-up question (might belong in a different thread).

Can anyone recommend Assisted Living facilities for English speakers in Israel. Preferably in the Herzliya/Ra'anana/Tel-Aviv area.

[ExGingi]

What I was looking for was such a document without a named third party.

Thanks to @thaber for referring me to the following article: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/law-ongoing-power-of-attorney-elder-care/

I got an ongoing POA, but making use of it is a PITA.

Since I don't live in Israel, I was only named as backup POA. Putting the Ongoing POA in force requires the attorney in fact to appear in person at the office of the אפוטרופוס הכללי.

Even after POA is put in force, court approval is still needed for real estate transactions (other than renting out the property).